Does this seem like a low price for this coin?

I've always been very public about my identity because I felt people should feel comfortable with who they are talking to and understand that I'm not just some blip on the Internet, but a real person with a family and a variety of interests and areas of knowledge.

Your welcome to keep your identity a secret, which is your right, but it's immoral to publicly scorch people and then hide behind a pseudonym. It's immoral to rake into people period, and believe me I'm as guilty as anyone at doing that from time to time.

Really, I don't care how you identify yourself, or what expertise you carry, just be nice to people. This isn't a foxhunt, or W138th street, where you form a gang to abuse people. There is no reason for any abusive behavior towards others, regardless what you might think of them. We've lost enough important members, members who have contributed a lot more than you ever will, because people put their ego's before obligation to each other. And its a pity because they were my good friends.

I tired to communicate this indirectly, but it didn't work. Every breadcrumb I left you just made you more and more aggressive rather than giving you pause to think that maybe cointalk, this little mailing list, isn't important enough to create so much animosity over.

So now I'm tell you directly. Even when you think your right, back off and give someone space to breath.

Ruben

 

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Ruben,

That is a little harsh. I don't scorch the members of this forum hiding behind a psuedonym. My name is Paul and many of the other members are aware of that despite the fact that I don't put it at the bottom of every post.

I am not at all interested in being abusive to others, but I do like an honest debate where people with opposing opinions have a discussion. Sometimes these discussions can become heated which IMO is OK because that is how we learn.

You might not remember, but I did back off. I didn't make a single post from Wednesday through Saturday, but when I came back on Sunday, you were still leaving me breadcrumbs. In fact, I started a thread called chill out by posting something cool before I left town.

http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?t=42662

I understand that I rub you the wrong way and that is regrettable, but I don't foresee me changing my ways because of it. If you want to block my posts, that is OK, but I think it would be better if we occasionally clashed in a debate rather than play the silly game that has dominated this board the last week.

Let me know what you want to do. Thanks!

Paul

 

It is a time honored tradition to keep the coin collection a little secret. It is smart to keep your personal info discreet.

 

Ruben,
Is Lehigh a little rough on the edges, probably, but he does not purposely try to aggravate as you seem to do.

You are just about the only one here who insists on posting 3 meg pics even though some of us still have dial-up.

You start a thread full of these massive pics and then ask "what happened to all the Ike guys?" They do not want to wait for all of your pics to load. (And, yes, I have cable.) BTW, over 2/3 of the posts in that thread were yours

You go around looking for threads that have died and gone to heaven, but you decide to revive them for reason that escape me.

Today, you nominated a "Thread of the Week" - even though it was 6 years old.

Do I need to go on? And all of this is nothing about Lehigh. And, my guess is that you will not read this because I am still on you ignore list.

 

Oxygen is not the only oxidizing agent in the world, Ruben. There are many things which cause rainbow toning; oxygen is not one of them.

The oxidizing agent we're discussing is not oxygen.

Of the many oxidizers to choose from, I suppose a sulfide might be something that coins come in contact with. I don't know.

So the oxidizing agent, whatever it is, IS in short supply; it is the limiting reactant - not the metal. As it's consumed, the reaction slows and slows - and when it's gone, the reaction stops.

 

My conversations with metallurgist (not about coins) gives me the exact opposite opinion. Trying to smooth surfaces, we could not use chemical reactions because they would deepen the existing defects. Electrolysis works on the high points. My suspicion is that your /\/\/\/\/\ would become more like UUUUUU. However, the rougher I was talking about is even smaller than what you are showing. Metals are a lot less uniform than most people think. On the molecular level, there can be significant differences in the reactivity due to the alloy mixing, rolling effects, heat treating and the coin pressing. This is the "roughness" I was referring to.

If you know for a fact the dipped coins tone slower, my guess is that the dips contain contain an added chemical that reacts to inhibit future reactions.

 

I don't think either of these models are likely realistic. One thing that is almost surely a result of the minting process which involves several tons of prssure, if I understnad correctly what the mint does, is that the molecules on the surface with align as they do when metal is molten. Once aligned, they are in a highly ordered state. there is a lot more chemical potential in a system in an ordered state than one which is not. That fact alone would make dipped coins more resistant to toning.

 

Ruben,

I don't know if you are still blocking my posts, but if you can see this I want you to know I don't want to rekindle a flame war and I don't mean to be argumentative. However, I do have a question.

Metals are amorphous in a liquid state and form a cyrstalline lattice structure when solidified. To the best of my knowledge, both Ag and Cu are FCC (Face Centered Cubic) and I believe that silver-copper alloys are also FCC. Are you saying that the minting process makes the surface of the coin amorphous? I can't be 100% certain, but that concept seems inconsistent with my understanding of metallurgy.

The coining process is an example of cold forming which is basically the same as work hardening. Work hardening typically results in an increase in yield strength and decrease in ductility which are both good for the overall survival of a soft metal coin (eg Ag or Au coins).

Like I said, I can't be 100% sure because silver is not an engineering material other than some very specific applications, but overall properties of metals do not vary that much.

Paul