Does this seem like a low price for this coin?

The reason I asked, and it was really a question to Doug, is that I think the grading standards might have changes since the slabbing.


But I think that is corrosion and it might be a problem.

Ruben

 

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I am an expert on toning and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that coin. Again, the toning is nice but not worthy of a significant premium. With regards to the seller, he currently has 7 toned coins for sale all with completely different toning patterns, and every coin is NGC graded with a star. Obviously this seller is a collector of eye appealing coins or he specializes in selling toned coins. There is no reason to suspect that he is doing anything suspicious. That comment was borderline slanderous! Does your wrath really know no bounds?

 

So Doug, has the grading standard changed since that coin was slabbed? Generally when I see those older slabs I need to research the validity of the grade.

Ruben

 

See this area I outlined in red - that looks like corrosive pitting.

Ruben

 

OMG. Ruben are you seriously trying to say that when this coin was slabbed that the grading standards of PCGS were less conservative (looser)? People actively search for OGH because this was the time period that PCGS was known to be the most conservative in their grading.

Toning is technically corrosion but it is not at all a problem. I am not going to explain the chemisty behind corrosion to you. Buy a book!

At this point, I just want you to make one post that makes any sense at all. Everything you post is either wild conjecture or just plain wrong. The silver lining is that my typing skills will improve because I will have to follow behind you and correct everything you mess up!

 

Here is Doug's answer:

 

See that coin looks like the corroded version here

http://www.ngccoin.com/services/nograde.asp

It must be artificially toned.

Ruben

 

http://www.ngccoin.com/images/nograde/detail/unnatural1.jpg

 

No it does not look at all like the coin you posted and it is not artificially toned. Please read another book.

 

Wow - you know i lost sleep over this coin last night. This poor soul is on the hook for over $300.00 in this kind of economy. Is there anything that can be done about such a con job after the bids have been made on ebay?

Toning is such a bad thing and a huge risk to coin buyers.

Ruben

 

see the great coins have no toning

 

Lots of hostility here. I'll agree with the toning is nice but myself, I'd take it out of the slab and try to get rid of that coloring stuff on the coin. :whistle:

 

Try to remember that people all have their opinions. Some are based on facts and some just opinions and many of either are possibly just as good as the people that claim to be experts. No one should be critized for an opinion. Corrected if none to be in error since that is the way we all learn.

 

There is no way that could occur, once a coin is slabbed it protects it from all the outside elements.air etc etc it is air tight. The coin was toned when it went into the slab. What do you think a slab is, it preserves the coin.I don't like this kind of toning it;s not colorful enough for me ,but a nice coin anyway

Jazzcoins Joe:whistle:

 

I don't see his hostility because he's in my ignore box...

He's a very tightly wound kind of guy...

Ruben

 

yeah - the only way to save that coin would be to dip it, and cross your fingers. If looks like dried egg yolk all over the coin, and I have no doubt that the sell is pulling something to sucker people in.

Ruben

 

I hate to agree with Ruben on anything, but slabbed coins are resistant to outside influences, but they are not impervious to them. If the slabs are not properly stored, toning can occur. There are numerous threads on this topic both as proper storage of slabs and how slabs are not air tight.

 

I have to say something I just relaized I have a proof set, and a nickle is toned the nickle wasn't toned when it went into the plastic container .

I thought they should be air tight and there not . I don't know how much of a difference from slabs to proofs sets are, never thought about it before until now/

So I will give credit were credit is due to Ruben she;s not totally wrong about slabs after all. good going Ruben I apoligize.
:bow:

Jazzcoins Joe :whistle:

 

Carl,

Ruben doesn't present his posts as opinions, and as I have already stated, his methods will influence members of this forum that do not have the knowledge to know better.

For example, he has Jazz thinking that coins in slabs will tone significantly simply because his proof sets have started to tone. The fact is that there is no toning source for a slabbed coin. The only way for a slabbed coin to tone would be to store it in an atmosphere that is rich in hydrogen sulfide gas. Most of the dramatically toned coins you will encounter were in direct contact with a sulfur source (eg canvas bag, paper envelope, album etc). Once they are removed from the toning source, the toning stops.

As far as the so called experts, I have credentials that support my claim of being an expert on toning. Let me know if you would like to elaborate.

Lastly, it is customary when posting a controversial position on a chat board to preface your statement with IMO or IMHO. I have yet to see Ruben do that. In a post in this thread he stated, "Toning is such a bad thing and a huge risk to coin buyers." That does not appear to be an opinion and a YN could very easily be duped into believing that bull.

 

did anyone email the seller about his bogus toning?

Ruben