I'd like to know what you think of these "hits" on the lips and nostril. At first I thought these were just random, but now I'm not that sure. Also, on the date and mint mark, I guess I want to call that mechanical doubling? Oh, and your grade, if you have an opinion on that. Thanks!
Looks like minor circulation dings, but I could be wrong on this. I grade it AU, and very nice!!! Nice and crisp, I like it. :thumb: Phoenix
I will go for the AU also. That date looks funky. I would guess a RPM, but that "3" just makes no sense to me.
I'm thinking AU. And I don't have a clue to the hit marks...maybe circulation dings like Phoenix said.
OK, back to the fun. I feel like I was in a straight-jacket all day. RLM, this first set of pics is just for you. You were saying something about a funky 3? As you can tell, I'm sure, this is a comparison to how the date and mint mark should look...that's a mint-state '30-D. OK, now onto those "nicks." They're not "raised," they're indented. There goes the chipped-die theory. They aren't easy to photograph, either. But, here are hopefully some better pics. They should blow-up clearer, too, as they were taken on a "super-large" setting. Hard to hold your hand steady when you're holding a 10X up against the lens, lol. But maybe you can make that area out better, now. Here's the problem, as I see it, with the coin-hit theory. Those must have been some pretty fussy coins. I mean, look at the marks. Do they really look that random to you? Look at the orientation. Look at the rest of the coin, both sides. These are pennies, too, making those marks, if they're indeed coin-hits. Those marks weren't made by any pennies. At least, not any I've ever met. Just still don't know what to make of this, overall. Hell, think I'll sleep on it. Thanks. EDIT: BTW, I'm not ruling out post-mint damage on the nicks. Only I don't think it would be random. Just doesn't look that way to me.
Well if the die chips are not raised ,and they are indented ,I would have to change it to post mint damage even through in the pics they still look like die chips on the mouth ,nose die gouge now Jazzcoins Joe:whistle:
The only thing I can think of is that the "93" became metal filled. I am not sure that I have ever seen that, but I know of no reason that it should not happen. Bear in mind that I am not an error man who spend the time looking for such either. As for the lips and nose, I cannot believe that this is the results of die chips. Chips are going to occur at the die's high points, not in the depressions. I would have to guess that these are the result of an earlier strike through - of what I have no idea.
Just real quick and I have to go for now, guys...a few more pics. I still can't see this as being random violence, though. More like malice aforethought... deliberative... some kind of cold, careful, calculated, touch-up job... whether at, or outside, the Mint. I'm including a series on the tie, too, as I'm wondering if you think that area also looks somewhat "funky." I shall return...
I am going to repeat myself ,they also look like die chips under the tie from the picture, they really look raised to me.don't look like indents at all Jazzcoins Joe:whistle: :whistle:
Joe, these pics are inconclusive. But none of the marks are die chips. They're all recessed. Stick with this, though. I need all the help I can get. Let me move on to you post-mint damage theorists. Post-mint damage is a conclusory statement. If you can't support it, that's OK. But, at the same time, it doesn't help me too much. Was this post-mint damage caused by an air-hammer? No. OK, now we're narrowing it down. Was it caused by a coin? Could be. A flat-rimmed coin? No, it was one with ridges. And that coin hit randomly and only in these four tiny areas which you can barely see with the naked eye? There goes the coin theory. What hit this, then, and made these marks? What does it look like to you? And I don't think it's necessarily conclusive that it happened outside the Mint, i.e., unrelated to a die-condition. So let yourself go. This isn't a test, lol...
Hey guys, do you think we can take another look at this one? Not necessarily those of you who have already opined, but, I'm thinking, maybe some fresh blood? Let me give you the issue, so you don't have to start at the beginning. Take a look at those marks just under the nose, on the lips, and just under the bow tie. They're recessed marks (i.e., not raised...as would be expected, for example, in the case of a chipped-die). Do you see the precision of those, and the pinpoint-targeting of those? Do you see how there's nothing like those anywhere else on either side of the coin? Do you understand "post-mint damage" is a conclusory statement, and that, in this case, in particular, to be convincing, the statement has to be supported by some reasonable explanation as to how that "damage" may have happened "post-mint?" Let me explain that one better. If this were a scratch, everybody could see that, we don't need to know what scratched it to be able to conclude it's "post-mint damage." In this case, if you can't think of anything that could reasonably have caused those marks, in those particular focal areas, in that orientation, and with that pinpoint-accuracy, that bears on the question whether or not the marks even are post-mint damage. Do you all understand this? I'll simplify this even further. Just tell me one reasonable way those marks could have happened post-mint. Otherwise...and, pardon me for saying so...I think that issue is still wide-open. Thanks.
Eddie i came to a conclusion, I think you did it, you are just trying to mess with our minds:desk:. I don't have that many cells left over to think about this any furthe,maybe a younger collector with more brain cells can figure it out . Jazzcoins Joe:whistle::whistle:
Well Joe I wouldn't want anybody here to hurt themselves. But it does look deliberative as opposed to something random, doesn't it...
I have a question for you eddie is that the famous mr ed from TV as your avatar? ,:whistle:a horse :whistle:is a horse of course of course:whistle:,and you when you talk to a talking horse the theme of the program :goofer::goofer: remember the program Jazzcoins Joe have a good day Eddie
