Coin Talk 70 grade Coin Contest - no prize just fun

Oh, yes I have. Just look at the NCG and PCGS slabs. Therefore they exist. Now you, the accuser, have to prove that they are wrong. You have presented your case before a jury of your peers and, so far, no one agrees with you. So far you have succeeded in proving my case to everyone except yourself.

 

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You tell me what is on the slab and what is on the coin and I might be able to answer.

 

Keep in mind that this coin is the one that several people decided deserved the PF70.

I have put these away for now. I can't very easily get you more pics.

The speck on the sun is on the slab. Anything that was THAT obvious would never make a 70 grade. I don't know what you see in the branches. The area circled on the dress in front of the foot is nothing more than the shadow from a fold in the dress with an indention in front of it that is part of the design. Compare it to the MS one right above it on page 2. That one has the exact same thing.

 

Why not pop the plastic cover and get it and the dust out of the way? The only thing we're learning here is that it's nearly impossible to grade between a 69 and 70 by pics on a computer screen. What's this shadow, what's that shadow? Is that a hit or dust? etc.,etc.. If it's close at all, it almost has to be in hand.

 

Yeah I know I should. I didn't take this photo with this intention.

Ruben

 

Oh without a doubt, the hole grading system is flawed. Not because it isn't perfect, but because don't know how imperfect it is and more importantly, how consistent it is. A professional in this field of industrial mock ups etc and improve the consistency and the quality of the grading, strangly enough, even if the individual graders are less accurate.


The problem is that the real, not market, but physical difference between a 69 and 70 is much smaller than other grades....and it is the end. You can't get better than 70 and therefor, not that is matters at this point, you can't use a standard bell curve for the analysis. You have to use something called Rho Chi methodology. It is the statistical model for systems that have variability but have a solid limit and is missing a degree of freedom which can't be passed. Examples would include the ERA in baseball, it can't be less than zero and the closer to zero you get the hard it is to reduce. There are other examples but they are more exotic.

Ruben

 

Both quotes come from the same poster.
Did you mean the first one??

Speedy

 

It may be "Holy bible of grading" for some, but does that include NGC, PCGS, etc.?

 

YES I'm pretty sure ANA grading sytem is accepted through out the industry.:smile
Jazzcoins Joe
:whistle::whistle:

 

My ms-70

here it is

 

Go do some research. It is NOT accepted through out the industry. Each have their own standards - some published and some not. Here is the PCGS definition;

 

Sorry

I miss read post sorry

 

Each one says a perfect coin. There descriptions are basically the same ,just worded differently.

Jazzcoins Joe:whistle:

 

"There are absolutely no hairlines, scuff marks or defects" is basically the same as "Minor die polish and light die breaks are not considered to be defects on circulation strike coins". Well, if you say so. And just what is NCG's definition? ANACS? SGS?

 

All I'm saying an Ms70 coin is a perfect coin ,you no how technical it can be to grade some coins especially for a grade of Ms 70.I personally think that The official ana grading Standards. are more accurate then the others, and i would think that the majority of collectors would agree .What grading system do you use may i ask?

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Jazzcoins Joe :whistle: :whistle:

 

I have a question Jello is that a slabbed coin ? I hate to say it that is not an MS 70 more like an MS 63 or 64.even through it looks like it has a prooflike surface . If it is, the coin is really over graded.

Jazzcoins Joe :whistle: How you doing jello?

 

"perfect coin"? Under what conditions? I can find flaws in every coin using an electron microscope. To my eyes, a lot look perfect. I will bet the truth lies in the middle. But where?

I believe that the majority of collectors do not use the ANA standards. GDJMSP uses ANA standards. How often is he the lone grader at whatever level. No, I use what I will call TPG grading as I believe most collectors do.

 

Joe, I think he was only trying to be funny.