To CAC or not to CAC - official game thread

OK, it's been 24 hours so I'll post.

In what is sure to be a surprise this coin received a GOLD sticker (it was a bit of a surprise to me at the time). I did note that at least some of you noticed (I hope the photo showed it well) the little scrape in the Indian's knot. That's always kept me from re-submitting the coin to get the MS 67. In addition I always figured it might be better to keep the coin with the GOLD sticker since often those coins often go for more money.

Well, when it came time to sell I did pretty well (and I paid a LOT for the coin originally...I owned it about 16 years, BTW). However, sure enough....a month or two went by and I saw the coin again. Now in a PCGS 67 holder with a GREEN sticker. I once again (like my earlier 1919-S Dime) left money on the table. ARGH!

So I guess CAC was consistent with this one at least....and although both CAC and PCGS are experts I'm still not convinced it was a 67. But who am I to say?

jom

 

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CAC color bump

 

Maybe a luster bump as well....you'd have to see in hand though. It's tough with just a photo. Also, it eventually got a "PCGS color bump" as well.

jom

 

Attractive luster and color for the 1936-D 5c but not something I would pay 66 money for except maybe some pct back of blue sheet. A C coin - no bean. Reverse blob area a turnoff.

 

I love your post but the title was confusing.

Well...to be frank your title is a little confusing...the way it sounds like you have a slabbed coin and you want us (the CT community) to look at given coin and give our recommendations on whether to CAC or not to CAC. I hope we can do that; or is this just CAC slabbed coins and you want us to determine if the CAC fits the coin? Just wondering. Other than that great post.

 

ddddd is keeping a tally of all the coins posted, which you can see throughout the thread. We've had all types:

Green CAC on coin and deserves it: 11
Green CAC on coin and doesn't deserve it: 7
Gold CAC on coin and deserves it: 1
Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green: 3
Gold CAC on coin but should not sticker:
Failed to sticker but deserves a sticker: 6
Failed to sticker and should not sticker: 1
Unknown sticker status and deserves a sticker:1
Unknown sticker status and does not deserve a sticker:2

 

I really like this thread and it is intelligently setup and well executed. It has demonstrated that whether a coin will CAC is more a matter of taste (CAC) in my view and there can be valid material reasons why others may not share it one way or another.

A coin has to fit the buyers taste whether CAC or not. I buy the coin not the sticker.

The thread has been informative to me in gauging CAC’s taste and how it matches up with my own and things look for in evaluating the coin. Per JA Podcast CAC stickers coins they feel A or B in the grade range. C coins no sticker.

 

It is as @physics-fan3.14 said, we are taking pretty much every possible outcome (has sticker, no sticker, unknown) and giving our opinion of what we think CAC would say. And yes the thread isn’t perfect as we don’t know exactly what standards CAC applies, so quite a bit is conjecture mixed in with each person’s own thoughts.

 

There could be another thread that shows a slabbed coin and it's grade. The question could be "Given the average selling price for similarly dated coins with this grade, would you bid lower, the same, or higher for this coin?". I guess in a sense we are doing this in this thread already by either agreeing or disagreeing with CAC (at least for the coins that have been sent to CAC).

 

Can you help me with an explanation of secondary toning? Is it a coin that was cleaned or dipped then re-toned on its own? How can you tell the difference between toning and re-toning?

 

OK, who's next?

jom

 

Summary

Rd. 1: 1921 MS 65 Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 4 vs No: 3

Rd. 2: 1835 AU 50 Green CAC 50c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 8

Rd. 3: 1939-S Oregon MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 (8 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 4: 1838 AU 58 Green CAC (Gold $5)--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

Rd. 5: 1908 MS 63 Green CAC (Gold $20)—> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

Rd. 6: 1885-CC MS 63 PL Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

Rd. 7: 1946-S MS 66 Green CAC Walker 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 8: 1885-S MS 62 NOT CAC Morgan--> Yes: 5 (4 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 9: 1830 EF 45 UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

Rd. 10*: 1899 MS 65 BN UNKNOWN CAC 1c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 5

Rd. 11: 1942 MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 4 (4 Green and 0 Gold) vs No: 2

Rd. 12: 1940-D MS 67 Star UNKNOWN CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

Rd. 13*: 1884-O MS 61 Gold CAC $1--> Yes: 9 (4 Green and 5 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 14: 1827 AU 55 CAC 10c--> Yes: 1 vs No: 7

Rd. 15: 1851 MS 66 CAC 1c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 4

Rd. 16: 1919-S MS 65 Green CAC 10c--> Yes: 12 (11 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 17: 1922 MS 65 NOT CAC Peace $1--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

Rd. 18: 1851 Au 58+ CAC 1/2C--> Yes: 0 vs No: 6

Rd. 19: 1839-O AU 53 NO CAC 50c--> Yes: 6 (5 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 3

Rd. 20: 1920 MS 65 NO CAC 25c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 6

Rd. 21: 1862 PF 64 CAC H10c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

Rd. 22: 1869 PF 63 Gold CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 (5 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 23: 1834 XF 45 CAC $5--> Yes: 2 vs No: 5

Rd. 24: 1835 XF 40 CAC 25c--> Yes: 8 (7 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 2

Rd. 25: 1876 MS 62 Not CAC 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 26: 1853 MS 64 Not CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 0

Rd. 27: 1913 MS 62 CAC 2.5 Gold--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

Rd. 28: 1835 AU 58 CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 7

Rd. 29: 1908-S MS 64 CAC 1c--> Yes: 9 vs No: 2

Rd. 30: 1913-D MS 66+ CAC 5c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 0

Rd. 31: 1829 AU 55 NOT CAC 5c--> Yes: 11 vs No: 1

Rd. 32: 1851 MS 61 CAC 2.5 Gold--> Yes: 4 (3 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 2

Rd. 33: 1936-D MS 66 GOLD CAC 5c--> Yes: 3 (3 Green) vs No: 2

Green CAC on coin and deserves it: 11
Green CAC on coin and doesn't deserve it: 7
Gold CAC on coin and deserves it: 1
Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green: 4
Gold CAC on coin but should not sticker:
Failed to sticker but deserves a sticker: 6
Failed to sticker and should not sticker: 1
Unknown sticker status and deserves a sticker:1
Unknown sticker status and does not deserve a sticker:2


Note: if we don’t know the status of a coin before the reveal and more people say green CAC for a gold CAC coin, then it will go in the area of “Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green” ....see round 3 as the example case

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Rd. 10 was 4-4...I interpreted that CircCam would consider it a no (based on a similar example), which swayed the overall vote to a lean towards no.
Rd. 13 was tied between green and gold at 4-4...I interpreted that geekpryde would consider it a gold

 

I'll post one in a few minutes

 

That is a good idea too. Another similar thing I've considered is a thread where each person posts a coin and we decide if it gets a "CoinTalk Sticker"...meaning do more people like the coin compared to don't like the coin (although that could get messy/biased as it might be hard to be honest-especially if telling someone you don't like their coin).

 

Here is one that my friend helped send in several years back.

PCGS AU 55

 

GOLD. The coin looks MS.

jom

 

I'll definitely go gold. If that's really an AU55 coin I'll eat a bug (well not eat it but think about it).

 

It could go a grade higher. Gold.

 

Can't see anything holding it back from a gold sticker

 

If that doesn't go gold I'm going to willingly contract Kuru.