1945 Walking Liberty Half Dollar - Incorrect strike?

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  1. ryanbrooks

    ryanbrooks Active Member

    Hello everyone! :D

    I posted this a while back, but I had bad pictures so no one could see what I was seeing.

    What caught my attention first was the mint mark. It looks like a D/D/S to me, with some other cuds and cracks in it. Then what also caught my attention was "E PLURIBUS UNUM". It is distorted (especially the "E"), and doubled. Then I noticed the "stretch marks", they start from E PLURIBUS UNUM, and goes all the way down to HALF DOLLAR. Most of the letters on the reverse are doubled, especailly UNITED STATES, and HALF DOLLAR.

    Watch'all think?

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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    To be honest I don't know what to make of it. But then I'm not an error guy.
     
  4. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    That certainly is cool looking...but I have no idea what it is. I'd imagine the die was just failing...it looks like there's some pretty big breaks in it and it's approaching it's final strike, but I really have no idea.
     
  5. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    I have no idea. Keep an eye out for coin shows where someone like Larry Briggs is there, maybe you could get an opinion on it. Very neat, in any case.
     
  6. ryanbrooks

    ryanbrooks Active Member

    My best guess is going to be the coin shifted in the middle of the striking operation ;)

    And just in case anyone suspects anything, yes, it's authentic :D
     
  7. ryanbrooks

    ryanbrooks Active Member

    What is the difference between real doubling, and mechanical doubling?
     
  8. jazzcoins

    jazzcoins New Member

    This is die deterioration doubliing know as die fatigue. and not a double die.You can detect die fatgue when the fields look like and orange peel effect that's a dead give away ,and this coin looks like that I can't tell if you have an RPM by the photos need a close up of that.I think you have some die chips in certain areas of the coin also

    Jazzcoins Joe:whistle::whistle:
     
  9. ziggy9

    ziggy9 *NEC SPERNO NEC TIMEO*

    To me that appears to be metal flow due to extreme die wear. This set of dies was at the very end of its lifespan. If you look closely you see some flow on virtually every detail and in several different directions. Doubling would be either directional or rotational, this is neither.

    Richard
     
  10. FreakyGarrettC

    FreakyGarrettC Wise young snail

    I want to know that to so if anyone has an answer please pitch in.
     
  11. ryanbrooks

    ryanbrooks Active Member

    So what causes those "stretch lines?"
     
  12. jazzcoins

    jazzcoins New Member

    On hub doubling the doubling on the letters will be rounded rasied and notched ,on machine doubling the letters will have a shelf like effect and not rasied that;s the difference between hub doubling and machine doubling hope that helps you a little bit.and this is just a brief description.

    Jazzcoins Joe :whistle:
     
  13. ryanbrooks

    ryanbrooks Active Member

    So is mine hub doubling, or machine doubling?
     
  14. ziggy9

    ziggy9 *NEC SPERNO NEC TIMEO*

    Yours is neither, it is extreme die wear.

    Richard
     
  15. ryanbrooks

    ryanbrooks Active Member

    P.S. I just noticed that on the bottom right side of the coin, the end of the feathers has something going on :D
     
  16. ryanbrooks

    ryanbrooks Active Member

    So this is not a mint error?
     
  17. jazzcoins

    jazzcoins New Member

    NO NO NO

    Jazzcoins Joe
     
  18. ziggy9

    ziggy9 *NEC SPERNO NEC TIMEO*

    It's not an error unless you consider using the dies past their usefullness to be an error!
     
  19. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Post it to the error section, perhaps Mike Diamond will be around soon.
     
  20. FreakyGarrettC

    FreakyGarrettC Wise young snail

    It occurred at the mint but its not an error. It was just a worn out die.
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    The striking part of it had been used many times and gotten jacked up.
     
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