Augustus... with a goatee!

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  1. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    I missed the Naville auction yesterday. Had I been on the ball, I might have bid on this coin with its marvellous die break:

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    link to auction description

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    Then again, my main reason for bidding would probably have been so I could post the coin on CoinTalk. Having missed the auction I saved myself some money... and I can still post it! Win-win! :D

    Post your funny die flaws and anything else that fits...
     
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Lol, that's great. Wonderful find.
     
  4. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

  5. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    Congratulations :jawdrop:! That coin is a real gem. It looks more intentional versus accidental :p.
     
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  6. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Valentinian II felt the need to have a nose like Nerva??? No, it is just a die break.
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  7. Aleph

    Aleph Well-Known Member

    Looks more like he is rabid rather than wearing a goatee.
     
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  8. Shea19

    Shea19 Well-Known Member

    That is amazing, I love it.

    Mine isn’t a die break, but I think it still fits here. The banker’s marks on this denarius make it look like Apollo Vejovis joined a prison gang. This has always been one of my favorites.

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  9. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    That is an interesting example @Severus Alexander. If the price was right, I would have placed a bid in order to compliment my chipped example. Augustus looks like he has a growth on his cheek on the example below:
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  10. Archeocultura

    Archeocultura Well-Known Member

    Could be double struck, but it is funny, 12 nr 472n Licinius I Siscia 227a Picasso.jpg
     
  11. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Funny nose on T-Gallus...

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  12. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I was trying to see if you shared the same dies with @Severus Alexander , and to determine if yours was an earlier strike as the Die was breaking down. Not sure. Several similarities, but unless both are in my hand, I am not gonna guess. But, both are VERY cool.

    Here are a couple of my Die-Breaks, that when others post their coin, looks as though they are variants of the die break. These probly did not have too many Dies.

    ETRURIA

    This one is probly late in this Die's minting. Larger break and stretch-marks (yeah, I know everyone has to say "flow" marks, but the die is being stretched from long usage). I have seen this break on other examples of this coin.
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    Etruria Populonia 211-206 BC AR 10 As 20mm 4.21g die brk Lr Male Hd L - Blank


    Same here. I have seen this die break on other examples of this coin. This Die-Break adds more to this macabre Metus obverse. Fun.
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    Etruria Populonia 3rd C BCE AR 20 As 8.1g Metus Blank HN 152
     
  13. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Excellent diebreak.
    Now I know where Napoleon III "goat" his goatee from

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  14. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    LOL, he was a Die-Break?
     
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  15. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    What is the earliest numismatic record of a goatee? For that matter, when do we see neatly trimmed beards come into fashion? Here on CT, certain rulers have been ridiculed due to their 'neck beards' which do appear to have been trimmed from the front of the face but most ancient beards seem what I might term 'freeform'.
     
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  16. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Here is his buddy... MONSTER Goatee...

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    Mexican Empire - Maximillian I 1867 AR 1 Peso - last year of his Reign
     
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  17. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I put both images side-by-side, and I don't think they are from the same dies. Too many dissimilarities.
     
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  18. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Some great stuff above, thanks!!

    I think this is my earliest goatee-ish looking thing:

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    It's from Samarkand, probably issued by some nomadic confederation or other – Saka in 100 BC? Yuezhi in the first c. CE? Hard to say...

    Continuing with the amusing facial hair theme, a little corrosion has given poor Roma a beard here:
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    Macedon, Gaius Publilius, quaestor, c. 146-143 BCE

    Probably it's just because I have a thing for Sev Alex coins, but the 'stache on this denarius (this die only?) strikes me as hilarious:
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  19. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    QUESTIONABLE... MFB
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    Uncert West Asia Minor Karia 5th C BC AR tetartemorion 5mm 0.15g Female - Frprt Bull man r Kayhan 968 exc rght
     
  20. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Goatee

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    Sicily Gela AR Litra Horse-Achelous 0.63g 13mm 465-450 BCE HGC 2 p 373
     
  21. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    One might suspect that some of the Saserna Gallic warrior dies show a goatee:

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    Some clearly show a full beard, though:
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    And the apparent goatees could just have had subtle indications of jawline facial hair erased by a little wear. Not quite enough wear on this one to have done this:
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    In any case you must agree that the knotted/tied beard is fantastic! :D

    (NB: sadly, none of these are my coins either!)
     
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