What's hiding under Diana's biga of stags?

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  1. Roerbakmix

    Roerbakmix Well-Known Member

    So I've bought this Roman Republican coin. Looking at the reverse, we see Diana riding in a biga of stags (which is cool). But what's runnen on the exergue? A dog? A mouse? A fox?
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    ROMAN REPUBLIC, C. Allius Bala. Denomination: AR Denarius, minted: Rome, Italy; 92 BC
    Obv: BALA, Diademed head of Diana to the right, C below chin
    Rev: C·ALLI, Diana, holding torch and sceptre, driving biga of stags right, below a dog(?),
    Weight: 3.7g; Ø:17mm. Catalogue: Crawford 336/1c. Provenance: Ex private collection; acq.: 04-2020
     
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  3. NewStyleKing

    NewStyleKing Beware of Greeks bearing wreaths

    A dolphin attacking a shoal?
     
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  4. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Aw c'mom. It's a kangaroo of course! Actually, it looks like a rabbit (hare),

    Do you know what Gens Balba is part of?
     
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  5. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    I would agree with dolphin. And this can be confirmed with a quick search.
     
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  6. Barry Murphy

    Barry Murphy Well-Known Member

    It's a dolphin. Crawford records 17 different symbols below the biga.

    Barry Murphy
     
  7. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    Of all the control-marks associated with the letter "C" on this coin, a dolphin is the only one that fits this creature. See the table at Crawford Vol. I at p. 337.
     
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  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Great capture, @Roerbakmix !

    I checked ACSearch and found, yup, as several said above, that device on your reverse looks like a DOLPHIN.

    I have an Anchor. (or maybe it is a barn swallow strafing the ground!)

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    Roan Republic
    C. Allius BALA, 92 BC
    AR Denarius 19-18 mm. 3.83 grams.
    Diana head right, I before neck
    Biga of stags (thus Diana), anchor below. A ALLI
    Sear 221. Crawford 336/1c. Aelia 4
    Ex: @Valentinian
     
  9. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    According to the Crawford table I cited, the choices for the letter "I" are grasshopper, anchor, fly, quiver, gryphon, and caduceus, with anchor being the most common. So I believe that yours is indeed an anchor!
     
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  10. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    LOL, oh yeah, I know it is an anchor. Just mine looks poorly done, so my imagination took it another step.
    Soooo.... I am creating a NEW DEVICE: "Dive-Bomber Barn Swallow"
    (we had scads of barn swallows in our barns, as I was growing up. They were FUN to watch!)

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  11. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    I would vote "dolphin" as well. It has that look of Roman coins with what most numismatists historically have labelled a "dolphin", though I agree with the old Celator article claiming these really aren't dolphins but a type of fish. The long waggy tail was known amongst ancients to not be endemics with dolphins.
     
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  12. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    It is a dolphin. There are plenty on RR coins.
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  13. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    Another Roman Republican dolphin. I don't really think there's much doubt as to its identity!

    Roman Republic, L Lucretius Trio, AR Denarius, 76 BCE. Obv. Laureate head of Neptune right, XXXIII above and trident behind/ Rev. Cupid (or Infant Genius) on dolphin right; L LVCRETIVS TRIO. Crawford 390/2, Sydenham 784, RSC I Lucretia. 19 mm., 3.9 g.

    Lucretius Trio (boy on dolphin).jpg
     
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  14. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Kinda big dolphin...

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    RR Aes Grave Anon 280-276 BCE Triens 46mm 90.3g 9.3mm thick Tbolt-Dolphin Rome Crawford 14-3 T Vecchi 3
     
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  15. Roerbakmix

    Roerbakmix Well-Known Member

    Thanks! A dolphin, would not have guessed that! Still don't see it really...
     
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  16. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    Just reverse the way you look at so what you see as the animal's tail (or rear end) becomes the head (with a fish in its mouth), and vice versa.
     
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  17. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ...?!?!??..i'd like some of what you're taking...^^ (jk)...i would have been in @Bing's school of thought... a hare running the opposite direction...:)
     
  18. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Yeah, I still see the hare, but I can also see the dolphin. Wish it were a kangaroo.
     
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  19. dadams

    dadams Well-Known Member

    Nice coin - If they say dolphin I guess then that is what it is, but I don't see it either.
     
  20. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    LOL, it DOES look like a kangaroo, pointing left!

    Whelp, we can rewrite the books, adding Kangaroos and Barn Swallows !!!
     
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  21. octavius

    octavius Well-Known Member

    To me it looks like a Parthian being trampled. His headress to the right, beard extending to the left; right above his beard is his larger, rounded chest area. His right arm is extended above his chest, his left arm is down on the pavement breaking his fall. His knees are both bent with his right lower leg extending upwards with his right foot pointing up towards the stag. His left lower leg extends straight out to the left.

    or, it could be a dolphin.
     
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