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I am in the middle of negotiating the return of a fake 1904 Double Eagle that I recently bought on ebay. The seller claims ignorance, but I have my doubts. I will try to post pictures for the archive before I send it back to her.

 

1904 Double Eagle Counterfeit pictures

When I purchased this coin, the one that was sent to me was not the one in the ad or I certainly would have caught this fake. I took some pictures with my wife's SLR camera and the results were startling. If you look at the reverse image, right below the "ES OF" there appears to be a ghost impression which leads me to believe this coin may be a restamp?? In addition to the poorly filled out letters, the variation in the rim and a number of other factors, I can see why the seller did not include a picture of the actual coin. Here is the ebay auction . . .

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=270278231102

 

You may be in trouble. The seller used stock photos that are not the coin you pictured and is a full violation of Ebay's policies governing coin pics. Plus, the seller is a newbie. Looks like it's a total scam!

You need to cancel payment (credit card) then call PayPal and tell them what's happened and get immediate action from them, prior to sending the coin back. You have a clear case of fraud but without the coin, you have nothing. So when PayPal tells you to send it back, refuse to do it until you are refunded your money, since you need the coin to prosecute the seller and to sue PayPal for a reimbursement, if the seller doesn't refund your money.

Ribbit

 

let's talk slag !!!

Always a great thread. Thanks, Bud ! :thumb:

I'm kinda thinking out loud here, so someone keep me honest....

At first glance, a slag dropping might appear to be a chip in the die causing a raised spot in the coin. The more slag drops there are, the more obvious it becomes that it's really slag.

If unsure, check the literature. If it's a die defect, there will be many coins with the identical defect. It should show up as a die variety.

This shows the benefit of being schooled up in attribution.

Anyone care to add more about the difference 'twixt slag and die chips ? I suppose the slag tends to be more irregular.

 

I would have guessed rusty dies would give smaller, finer, lower profile bumps. And more of them close together. Yes / no ?

 

That's an out right rip off , how long does it take for paypal to give the cash to the seller , if she got it she's probably gone already .
rzage

 

That's probably the case. The seller doesn't have anything else for sale so I figure it was a hit-and-run scam, considering the fake pics that were used.

We talked about scams like this on CFE and one of the tells is quality pics from a newbie seller. As soon as I saw the pics, I looked to see how long the seller had been on Ebay and that told me it was a scam and it took all of about ten seconds to figure it out, but I could be wrong. Odds are I'm not wrong but there's always that possibility but considering all the facts, I'd be willing to make a bet this is/was a scam from the get go. :hammer:

Ribbit

 

I'm suprised she even mailed anything . Hope she gets busted .
rzage

 

They needed to mail it and probably did it in a way so they can prove it was received, that way they can prove it was sent and the buyer received it and all of that gives them enough time to "clear out" before they can be caught.

The other thing I forgot to mention about "tells" on scams, is they will usually be a high-end item like this was.

Ribbit

 

This listing had all the makings of a scam, but I wasn't paying attention. The seller, surprisingly, has left me good contact info and I have talked to her 2x on the phone. She is going to try to work with me since she (claims) not to have known the coin was a fake. This was not through paypal (another mistake on my part), but I still feel I can make a strong legal case if she suddenly decides to be uncooperative.

Anyhow, I'm putting this out here so someone else won't repeat my mistake. I know I won't!

 

1944 Henning Nickel

Today we purchased a 1944 Henning Counterfiet Nickel.

Here is a link to a site that has some info . The site has pics & gives the back story.

HENNING NICKEL
In this coins case it weighed 5.2 grams (due to circulation Im sure)

I have taken a better close up of the major diagnostic besides it not having the "P" mint mark above the dome of Monticello.

 

Interesting nickle , good to see you post again , it's been awhile .
rzage

 

That is really cool. I have wanted a Henning Nickel for years but have yet to pick one up. I know they aren't that valuable but for some reason I love them. Thanks for sharing.

 

I wish my counterfeit 1944-P no P was a Henning. I too want one and some day I'll get one but until then, I have my counterfeit Henning Nickel. A counterfeit of a counterfeit, what a concept. Although I've seen counterfeits of counterfeits before, on some rare collectable counterfeits.

Ribbit

 

About how much is a Henning nickle ?
rzage

 

My understanding is they are from twenty to fifty bucks, depending on condition.

Ribbit

Ps: It's not in the Red Book.

 

Gracias your Toadship .
rzage

 

it reminds me of a Henway.