1959D Odd lines

Before I even read the comments,
it looks like a scratch to me. Sorry.

 

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I can do the same thing with a ruler.

 

show me,that is impressive

 

after an in depth analysis from Mr Ken Peavey....nothing has changed

A-Lines cross the rim.
B-Lines are on both sides of the coin
C-Lines have occasional breaks where relief changes
D-Some lines show raised metal on one or both sides in some areas
E-Lines are not parallel
F-Lines on obverse are generally N-S, on the reverse E-W
G-Lines are generally of decreasing strength from bottom to top
H-Coin exhibits noticeable contact marks on vest, face
I-Coin is well centered and evenly struck

Analysis
A indicates the issue is not die related as the rim is produced in a different process.
B suggests the issue is not die related UNLESS both dies were subject to the same issue with a change in direction
C suggests the issue is not planchet related
D is a STRONG indicator of damage
F suggests the issue is not die related or planchet related
H indicates the coin was not handled with elegant grace
I indicates no strike issue

Reasoning
The raised metal on both sides of some parts of some lines can not be produced by a die or planchet issue. The die would require raised metal to leave incuse marks on the coin, and it would need missing metal to lease raised metal on the sides of the lines. If the planchet was flawed with raised metal, the raised metal would be flattened by the dies during strike. The evidence does not support a strike issue, a planchet issue, or a die issue. All indicators are consistent with damage.

Conclusion
The lines are post mint damage.

Commentary
Starting with the assumption of an error would preclude the burden of proof to explain the causative mint process. This is contradictory to and exclusive of evidence based forensic analysis.

The theory holds: An assumption of damage must be the starting point.

 

I have been off here a couple days because of no electric and no internet. We had a storm and trees fell and broke our electric lines. It looks like someone else has been looking at the coin and determined it as PMD. I'm wondering if this is scratches , It don't take a expert to decide what a scratch is if you have the coin in hand because metal will be raised up on one side or both of the scratch. From what I can see in the photo of the obv. it may be possible to have been struck thru something like string or maybe wire. I'm saying this because the surface color of the metal looks a different color near the scratch looking area and seems to have been struck into the rim of the coin. I'm not saying one way or the other what caused the coin to be this way because I have never seen it in hand.

 

D-Some lines show raised metal on one or both sides in some areas.
Sounds like a scratch to me. Looks like it too!

 

what i ment by that was....the line,when crossing over the devices does not move,"jar",or shift in any way whatsoever. It is like it encountered no resistance. By nature,without a substantial ammount of force behind it,it would naturally break its path due to the resistance it encounters,it doesnt. A scratch imo wouldnt hit every single bit of surface area,but skip over lower parts of the surface....it doesnt do that anywhere...you would expect to see that from the bottom of his profile to the rim,

 

I have a question, @juslystn. Even if it IS an error (which it is NOT), what do you intend on doing with it? Try to peddle it off to bidiots on eBay who don't know what errors are either?

Do you intend on spending 35 bucks on professional grading just so you can be pleased you're right (which you won't be)?

I never understand what the end-goal is of people who claim to have an error and refuse to accept professional opinions.

 

Hey Juslystn it looks like from your photo that the lines have something dark looking in them . Is this the way it looks in real life ?

 

Also,upon further inspection,the cause still appears to be linked to the collar.....it clearly had some issues @Fred Weinberg

 

Sorry but it wouldn't help as you'd still believe otherwise even if I did a video.

 

do you have nothing better to do? if i throw a roll of pennies will that keep you busy?

 

its sad i cant have a healthy debate about coins on a coin forum ffs

 

they are very very thin,it is hard to judge without my scope...but under a x10 loop, i would say yes

 

BINGO....i suspect this is possibly the culprit

Definition: On rare occasions a pocket of gas forms and expands when a planchet is struck. The heat generated by the strike is deemed responsible for the gas expansion. The expanding gas pushes up the overlying metal, producing a rounded bulge with soft borders. If the roof remains intact, the error is designated an “occluded gas bubble”. If the roof explodes from the internal pressure, we call it a “ruptured gas bubble”.

ruptured gas bubbles may be the cause of the surface lines....the appearance of a scratch comes from the lid oof the gas bubble being ruptured

LOOK....you can see my light dispurse thru the rim of the coin in pic 4-5

 

It's a damaged coin no matter how much you don't want it to be.
Use your handle as advice and just listen.

 

Not even close .

 

ive found several occluded gas bubbles in this batch.....how do you explain the blowout on the rim?