RadaRs for your viewing pleasure

Discussion in 'Paper Money' started by kidromeo, Sep 29, 2008.

  1. kidromeo

    kidromeo I M LEGEND

    I having hard time figuring out what you meant. You must have meant these notes being sold for 50 Rupees a few years back which I find hard to believe. I see them regularly being sold at 5K mark which I can't afford at the bay.:desk:
    And the fact that after independence these higher denomination notes were reintroduced in 1954 and not 1949 is confirmed by RBI's museum pages
    Heres the link
    http://www.rbi.org.in/scripts/pm_republicindia.aspx
    I haven't seen the 1000 buck British period note....must be big deal owning one. Can you link me an image of that note? Guess it will be going at 10K by ebay standards.:headbang:
     
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  3. kidromeo

    kidromeo I M LEGEND

    Thanks for the encouraging replies guys. Thats what keep me going.


    I'm feeling a bit cash crunch after saving so many big bucks for my collection. So gotta ask if the following serials are worth keeping or not.
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  4. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    Rule no 1 ebay is not the place to buy notes or coins ( but for coins there might be exceptions)
    Rule no 2 rbi is not the place to learn about indian coins or currency ( really sad but really true)
    Rule no 3 when in doubt refer to rule 1 and go down the list

    the only indian note really worth anything is the 2 re 8 annas all the others are artificially jacked up including the 1935 rupee wil go lok for a good image of the 1000 re note its not really all that although its expensive now
     
  5. kidromeo

    kidromeo I M LEGEND

    Wow Spock...Rule No 3 makes it hard to disagree with you:eek:dd: but I'll never quite agree with Rule No 2:pencil:
    Thats too hard to swallow for me.
    Don't know much(or anything) about British era Indian notes but nothing Indian comes cheap now a days. I should have found Coin Talk early:headbang: and graduated as a cherry picker:p under Prof. Spock:D.
     
  6. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    Ok go back to the RBI page look at the ten ruppe 5 rupee and 20 ruppee misisng images for some notes that you might even find under circulation. The biggest difference is information or lack of that stops the true promotion of the hobby. look at the ten rupee coin no images any where. those are the structural problems. look at the patterns that were proposed and the notes and coins that were adopted it will make you cry. India had the best coinage in the world right up to the times of the mughals even with the EIc and the crown it wasnt a total loss the early republic showed some promise and then down it went. look at the coinage now OMS are made to demand and the metal and the design suck. the bangladeshis know whattto do witht he coins they make blades out of it. it really is a sorry state of affairs :(
     
  7. kidromeo

    kidromeo I M LEGEND

    Yes, you are very right to point out the lackluster RBI portal. I guess they never updated their website after 2000 and so the 5 and 20 Rupees note issued from 2002 never found their place there.
    The modern coins issued are also sort of joke and the strike is so poor that one of my trade partner refused to accept those coin as UNC until I showed him snap of coins in sealed mint poly bags.
    But I'm proud of Indian bank notes coz their design count as one of the most attractive ones in the world.
     
  8. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    i hope you are not talking aout the gandhi series personally for me indian bank notes stopped being attractive after george 5
     
  9. kidromeo

    kidromeo I M LEGEND

    Nope, I'm talking about the current Gandhi series notes only.
    I like the color, future proof security features and beautiful obverse of present notes. Although I didn't liked the notes after 1972 but the present series is absolutely marvelous.
     
  10. Daggarjon

    Daggarjon Supporter**

    the 1st and 2nd note are binarys, and so is the 3rd note for the most part. IMHo, not very collectible, but yes, folks do collect them. IMO the 500 ruppe note would be the best to save, being in such fine shape - and of course its the most expensive lol

    for me, the 3rd note is just plain cool! lol
     
  11. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    i hope you realize that indian notes are probably the worst ( okay the us dollar series from 34 onwards is the worst) bland looking notes you will see george 6 series was really ugly and they continued with it by making slight modifications all the way to the gandhi series.
     
  12. kidromeo

    kidromeo I M LEGEND

    Sorry mate...I can't agree with any of your opinions:hammer: and the current Gandhi series is the best thing to have happened to Indian paper money after 1969 Gandhi commemoratives IMO. I have traded numerous notes to all corners of the world; Iraq and South Africa being the latest:D and everywhere people care about notes with Gandhi's image. Also designwise, its far more superior to its predecessors (not questioning G V's notes ofcourse).
    Just my opinion, may be influenced by popular demand and my personal idolization of Gandhi but I can't just take anyone branding them worst notes coz they're not.:pencil:
     
  13. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    Gandhi is the only brand from india that sells look at stamps anything that explains its popularity. you have answered the question yourself other than the iron pillar and gandhi has anything ever been on the bank note? is india so bereft as a nation that we have nothing else to talk about? look at notes of sri lanka for instance far superior. we have tons of things to cherish including gandhi but gandhi is not the only thing to cherish and remember
     
  14. kidromeo

    kidromeo I M LEGEND

    Well you gotta look at the Ashoka pillar and Gandhi as the American lady liberty and eagle. They are the brand image of US coins and comes in different designs and poses. That doesn't mean that US coins are in anyway less appealing than other world coins to us and so is the case with Indian bank notes. They are the trademark of their respective nations.
     
  15. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    you know us currency is considered to be very unappealing outside of northamerica. for a 5000 yr old civilization to look at gandhi as the only symbol doesnt quite fit the bill
     
  16. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Wow that's some haul, kid! Now brace yourself. I'm going to show you how strange my mind is. When I see something like these, for example, I'm apt to think, "I wonder what the mathematical formula is to calculate how many such notes exist in an eight-digit (here, six-digit) series." :rolling:

    PS: Now don't all answer at once. :)
     
  17. Numbers

    Numbers Senior Member

    Easy: the first half of the digits can be anything at all, and the second half then have to be an exact match (in reverse). So just count the number of different combinations that are possible for the first half of the digits.

    For six-digit serials, that makes 1000 radars out of every block of 1,000,000 notes, so you get a radar once every 1000 notes. (Make small adjustments if e.g. serial number 000000 isn't printed; such things won't affect the final answer by more than a hair.)

    For eight-digit serials, there are 10,000 radars out of every block of 100,000,000 notes, so radars are printed once every 10,000 notes.

    And for the benefit of our Canadian friends: For seven-digit serials, there are 10,000 radars out of every block of 10,000,000 notes, so the radars come up once every 1000 notes. It's interesting to observe that radars are equally common for six-digit and seven-digit serial formats....

    Any more math problems out there? :cool:
     
  18. kidromeo

    kidromeo I M LEGEND

    I was wondering when you'd show up.
    Thats an absolute fantastic mathematical analysis.
    To Numbers:bow::bow::bow::bow:
     
  19. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    I could do this in my sleep with my brain tied behind my back when I was in high school. Afraid the neurological connections weakened some since then. But I can still talk the talk, and work the equation, if you have it for me. You're solving this with factorials...how does that equation go? ;)
     
  20. Numbers

    Numbers Senior Member

    This is actually even easier--with radars there's no restriction that the digits have to be different, so you don't get factorials, just powers of 10.

    If you wanted to find how often an eight-digit serial would have all digits different, for example, that would take factorials. In particular, there are 10!/(10-8)! = 1,814,400 such serial numbers, out of the 100,000,000 serials in each block. So about 1.8% of all notes will have eight different digits, or about 1 in 55 notes.

    For six-digit serials, it'd be 10!/(10-6)! = 151,200 out of 1,000,000 serials: about 15%, or 1 in 7 notes. For seven-digit serials, it'd be 10!/(10-7)! = 604,800 out of 10,000,000 serials: about 6%, or 1 in 16 notes.

    Is it all coming back to you now? :cool:
     
  21. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    The factorials are. I understand the equations and how you worked through them and arrived at those numbers. But I'm still a little stuck on that first sentence of yours and the explanation in your previous reply. Let me just take you through how I have it, and I'll bet you can clear this up. Let's just work this example for the 8-digit serials, as the principles, of course, are the same.

    For the combinations (sequences) in an 8-digit serial, that's 10 to the 8th, or, as you say, 100,000,000. For the 1st 4-digit sequence, it's 10 to the 4th, or 10,000. Both of these of course are counting the all-zero sequences.

    OK, that's where I'm stuck. In effect, to add the next 4-digit sequence, and complete the 8-digit "radar," you're simply multiplying by 10. Or, you're saying, the possible radars in an 8-digit sequence is 10 to the 5th. Now, I don't care how stupid I might look, Numbers, just explain that...why can you say that? You know how it is...I gotsta know! :eek:

    EDIT: Wait a minute, I think I figured it out, the second 4-digit sequence is just like adding one more digit because given the first 4-digit sequence the second sequence can only go one way! So that boils down to a 10 to the 5th-power sequence for these 8-digit radars! :)

    EDIT: Extra credit - applies to radars (12344321) and repeaters (12341234). In fact, any series where the 2nd 4-digit sequence is dependent on the 1st.
     
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