Texas Commemorative

You not only know your history but I bet you read westerns like I do.

 

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Actually Doug, Texas was the only true Sovereign Nation to join the Union of the United States as a State. Utah was a territory when the Mormons declared otherwise, so that is mute and Hawaii was not a Sovereign Nation when it became a state, it was a territory since Hawaii was acquired as a territory when they were sovereign, thus, they did not join the Union as a Sovereign but as a territory of the United States. Texas was NEVER a territory of the United States so Texas, along with the original colonies, were the only Sovereigns when they joined the union.

Ribbit

 

The Texas Comm. is by far my favorite early commemorative design and one of my favorite coins PERIOD. I've picked up two in the past couple months actually, a 1935-D MS64 and a 1936 MS65.
You would think with all they crammed on the reverse it would be overkill, but it really itsn't! It's a beautiful coin, and anyone who has one in hand I think would agree with me here.

 

Here's the record on Utah:

"All land in Utah became part of the public domain when the United States signed the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in February 1848. This land came into the possession of the United States government with a clear and undisputed title. No state contested title, and no private rights had been established previously. Therefore every original land title in Utah can be traced to a patent or other document transferring that land from the federal government. Prior to 1848, Congress had already established laws governing the transfer of land from federal to private ownership. Federal laws governed the establishment of land offices, methods of surveying, and procedures for acquiring land by purchase or preemption, and later by homestead. At settlement, Brigham Young and the territorial government established a system of land distribution, which is documented by territorial land records, but which did not comply with federal laws. For the first 22 years after settlement, land ownership was based on the Utah territorial land policies. In 1869 Congressional legislation called for the establishment of a land office in Utah and reconciliation of land titles."

Ribbit

 

WHOA! Let's get back to something fun.....like money, I mean coins.:desk:

 

Yeah! We're not talking about the Utah comm Toad.... its the Texas comm.

 

he cant read you should know by that now

 

What you apparently don't know is the Constitutional Law surrounding territory belonging to the United States (aka: Federal Areas). As my quoted source explained, the lands that eventually became the state of Utah were ceded to the United States with a clear and undisputed title. That was ALL LANDS which included the lands the Mormons settled so the lands they were on belonged to the United States, not the Mormons. They were nothing more than squatters, not land owners, like the United States. Furthermore, as you so well explained, the dateline proves that when Utah became a State, they did so from territorial status, not a sovereign nation status. Texas never became a Territory of the United States, thus, they entered the Union when they were a sovereign nation and other than the original 13 colonies, they were the only one to enter the Union as a sovereign nation the DAY BEFORE entering the Union! That's the key! They had to be a sovereign nation the day before entering the Union, in order to qualify as entering the Union as a sovereign nation, as the Republic of Texas did.

What's interesting is Puerto Rico is poised to do something similar but still, even if they do become the 51st state, it won't be the same as Texas since they are only a sovereign government and not a sovereign nation.

Hawaii is no different. While they were once sovereign, they weren't when they entered the Union as the State of Hawaii. Louisiana was a sovereign nation once (aka: France) but they didn't enter the Union as a sovereign nation, they entered the Union as the Louisiana Territory, just like Utah did.

Timelines are critical and you've proved my point with the timelines you provided. But remember, the original argument was that Utah was a sovereign nation when it entered the Union as the State of Utah, when that is undisputably not the case!

Ribbit

 

I see that now. The words "at one time" was used.

My bad!

I hate it when I miss the little things that make the difference.

Ribbit

Ps: If you think about it, all lands in the United States were under a Sovereign Nation's control at one time before becoming a State of the United States - Indian Nations.

 

History is fun... but lets look at some pretty coins
(oh, and hi GDJMSP, long time... )

 

its been crazy... i will probably post something in the introduction section to re-introduce myself