Ancient coin with greatest creature or animal type density

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  1. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    If you're going to have beasts specially imported for your circus game, why go for anything less than the most exotic. :D
     
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  3. JulesUK

    JulesUK Well-Known Member

    A big WOW at @Jay GT4 and @zumbly for those amazing coins with a veritable Noah`s ark on display.
    My heaviest, thickest and most populated is the following (It wont win but I love this coin and its history posted by me elsewhere, better in hand)
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    PHILIP I AE 28mm of Viminacium in Moesia Superior. Year 9 of founding, 248 AD. 18.14g 3mm thick
    IMP M IVL PHILIPPVS AVG, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right
    P M S COL VIM, Moesia standing, looking left between bull and lion, AN VIIII in ex
    (Emblems of the Roman legions VII and IV quartered in the province)
    Reference: Sear 2614 var, Sear GIC 3874 var
     
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  4. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    Thanks z. I actually sold that coin as I mostly collect the Flavians and southern Italians, but I do sometimes regret selling it.
     
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  5. Alex22

    Alex22 Active Member

    :)

    type count on the obverse - 3;
    total type count from both sides - 5;
    density on the nominated side - 0.0149;
    density accounting for both sides (<total count> / <double the surface area>) - 0.0124.
     
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  6. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Oh, ok. I was wondering if I would break the supercomptuer with wrong data. :)

    I knew it would have not significant value, just be in the middle of the data universe. So: 16mm, 3.8g. Not a winner, not a loser. So no distinction. :)
     
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  7. Alex22

    Alex22 Active Member

    This is one heck of a coin @zumbly! I am mind blown. A representative with crisp-clear reverse, which I looked up for verification :sorry:, can be found at http://ikmk.smb.museum/object?lang=en&id=18204463&view=rs.

    type count on the reverse - 8 (includes humans of the quadrigae);
    total type count from both sides - 8 (the human species on the obverse is not counted twice);
    density on the nominated side (reverse) - 0.0245 (beats my example, which is 0.0212 :();
    density accounting for both sides (<total count> / <double the surface area>) - 0.0122.

    HATS OFF!!!

    P.S. Agree with @dougsmit on zebra (maybe those were, now extinct, Quaggas - half-striped zebra variant), but can accept that whatever it is, can be counted as different from the horses of the quadrigae.
     
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  8. Alex22

    Alex22 Active Member

    Just corrected the na values :)
     
  9. Alex22

    Alex22 Active Member

    And thanks @Jay GT4 for showing the sibling of @zumbly 's coin and the details about the type(s)!

    Everyone on CT, please show you creature-rich coins, even if those may not out-compete the above one. Will summarise the results after a few days, so that we can crown the current winners and know about where the coins presented here stand.
     
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  10. Alex22

    Alex22 Active Member

    Thanks @JulesUK. Here are the metrics:

    type count on the reverse - 3;
    total type count from both sides - 3 (the human(oid) species on the obverse is not counted twice);
    density on the nominated side (reverse) - 0.00487;
    density accounting for both sides (<total count> / <double the surface area>) - 0.00244.
     
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  11. Bad Axe

    Bad Axe New Member

    The one coin that lists a bear doesn't seem to look like a bear but it got me to wondering of all the animals on greek and roman coins why are there no bears?
     
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  12. Andres2

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  13. Jochen1

    Jochen1 Well-Known Member

    If you talk about ancient coins with the greatest animal type density I think you should consider the type "Orpheus taming the wild animals" too.

    Thrace, Philippopolis, Geta, AD 209-212
    AE 30, 17.77g, 29.53mm, 180°
    Obv.: AVT K Π CEΠTI - MIOC ΓETAC
    Bust, draped and cuirassed, laureate, r.
    Rev.: Orpheus, in Thracian garment and wearing Phrygian bonnet, sitting on rocks r. and playing lyre; around him a number of wild animals listening to his singing.
    in ex.: ΦIΛIΠΠOΠO / ΛEITΩN
    Ref.: Varbanov 1422; Moushmov 5383
    rare, F+/About VF, nice dark green patina, some roughness in left field of rev.
    Pedigree:
    ex coll. Pete Burbules
    philippopolis_geta_Varbanov1422.jpg

    The 8 animals are clockwise from upper right:
    (1) bull
    (2) lion
    (3) capricorn
    (4) goose and wolf
    (5) jackal and stork
    (6) boar

    Best regards
    Jochen
     
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  14. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Hmmm... this might be interesting:

    Just a Wolf's HEAD:

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    Roman Republic
    Egnatius Maxsumus 76 BCE
    Bust Libertas pileus behind-
    Roma and Venus standingg cupid on shoulder - Roma's foot on Wolf's Head at their feet
    Sear 326 Craw 391-3

    Cool story, very truncated: The moneyer's family were originally a plebeian family of equestrian rank and were Samnites. After the Social War, a part of the family moved to Rome, with a couple becoming Senators. However, one of the Senators was expelled, and also disowned his Senator Son. "No one has a saisfactory reason for this scene..." Hmmm... I wonder, this guy came from a Rebel Family (Samnites), who were virtually exterminated after the Social War by Sulla. I think Roma stepping on a Wolf's severed head might say something... LOL, GO SAMNIUM!
     
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  15. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    Ah π/4
     
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  16. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    There are two ways to win this:

    Have as many animals as possible on the coin OR have an animal on as small a coin as possible.

    Having 8 animals on a 20mm coin will give you a score of 0.0255.

    Having just ONE animal on a 6mm coin will give you a score of 0.0354

    :cigar:
     
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  17. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    What a wonderful type! It is very remarkable and must be very rare.
     
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  18. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    I have small little guys...
    EL Hemihekte ND Kyzikos Mint
    Mysia/ Kyzikos
    Struck 500BC
    9mm. 1.46g.
    Wild Boar+ Tunny Fish

    EL Myshemihekte ND Kyzikos Mint
    Struck 600BC
    6mm. 0.64g.
    Tuna Fish Head

    Rajas of Thanajur
    Tanjore Mint
    5mm. 0.36g.
    AV Fanam ND
    Lion with Peacock Head

    Vijayanagar Empire
    Achyutaraya 1514-34
    AV 1/2 Pagoda ND 10mm. 1.68g.
    Gandabherunda=Two Headed Eagle holding 2 Elephants with beak/ two more in talons=5 beasts. 00106q00.jpg 00102q00.jpg w39729.jpg 6d66c9b6cf828de570ba9e008ce09c48.jpg
     
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  19. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Bears are rare. But, there is one on a provincial coin of Nicopolis.

    SeptimiusSeverus5provNicopolis0544.jpg
    Septimius Severus, 193-211.
    27 mm. 11.55 grams.
    Nicopolis, Lower Moesia
    AIMOC across reverse field, for Haemus, a mountain range
    The mountain range, personified, with long staff and leaning on rocks and vegetation, with bear in front and stag leaping to right behind.
    AMNG (Pick) I.1 plate III.22.
    Nicopolis by Hristova and Jekov, 8.14.43.3.
     
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  20. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    Here's and interesting AE Dirhem of Urtukids of Maridin, Nasir al-Din Urtuk Arslan (1201-1239), showing a centaur preparing to shoot an arrow into the mouth of dragon arising from his tail (ouch!).

    I picked up this example last year through MA Shops.

    8.10 grams, pretty much in as-found condition.

    Dirhem Mardin, Body of Horse, human shooting monter in tail, purachse MA Shops 2019.jpg
     
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  21. Jochen1

    Jochen1 Well-Known Member

    Hares are rare animals on coins. Here is one:

    Gordian III, AD 238-244
    AE 21, 6.16g
    struck AD 242/3 (year 4)
    Obv.: [IMP GORDIA]NVS PIVS FEL AVG
    Bust, draped and cuirassed, radiate, r.
    Rev.: PMS C - OL VIM
    Moesia, in long garment, std. frontal, head l., holding in lowered r. hand hare
    on hind legs and vexillum without legion number in l. hand.
    in ex. AN IIII (year 4)
    Ref.: a) AMNG I/1, 90
    b) Hristova/Jekov Kat.No.18
    c) Varbanov 100
    Scarce, F/about VF

    upload_2020-4-8_21-41-16.png

    Pick writes: Wether the hare is a symbol of the abundance of hares in Moesia or an allusion to a beaten enemy remains to be seen.

    Best regards
     
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