Looking too close at one Septimius Severus die

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by dougsmit, Mar 27, 2020.

  1. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    On of the first pages on my website in 1997 was a report on what I knew about 'My Favorite coin' (which I have owned over 56 years).
    http://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/feac6.html
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    As part of that page, I showed a close-up of a part of the legend that I thought was interesting. Yesterday I reshot the close photo in the hope of seeing more on the matter of interest.
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    I believed then that the two S's in SEP SEV had been recut from C's. I also showed a photo of a coin with the same obverse die and a close-up of that same region. I also did a reshoot on that close-up.
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    As before, the second S here appears to be an uncorrected C while the one in SEP matches the other coin with the correction.

    I have a few more coins of this die but those are in worse shape and may not add much to the question. I will be working on new photos of them if any shows something worthwhile. I would like to figure out the sequence of use of this die but need to take care not to jump to assumptions even to such things as whether there was a recut here. I would appreciate seeing any coins anyone has or knows to exist online that shows clear examples of this die. The easy tip off on the die is the use of PEPT rather than PERT on the right side.

    That's what I'm doing between naps. I trust the rest of you are similarly staying out of trouble. I have not worked for 17 years so being laid off from my volunteer activities has left extra time for napping and revisiting old friends (the coins).
     
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  3. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    I think I need a nap. Holed up at home these days. Haven't had a nap in 20 years. But there is more time for coins.
     
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  4. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

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  5. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    I think this these are also the same obverse die. All in bad shape though.

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  6. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    I just spotted this one too (not mine) which I was unaware of

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  7. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Very interesting thread, @dougsmit , @Sulla80 , and @maridvnvm . The best explanation I can think of is a Greek-speaking die-engraver, who might use a lunate sigma (C) instead of S and a rho (P) instead of R.

    Here's a coin from half a century earlier where a C has been corrected to an S (in CONSECRATIO):

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    Faustina I, AD 138-141.
    Roman AR denarius, 2.84 g, 17.9 mm, 6 h.
    Rome, AD 140/41.
    Obv: DIVA AVG FAVSTINA, veiled and draped bust, right.
    Rev: CONSECRATIO, Eagle standing right, head left.
    Refs: RIC 387b; BMCRE 305 var.; Cohen 181; RCV --; CRE 95.
     
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  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Long ago I was told there are a dozen reverses with the type but I have not counted or done proper searching now that there are so many coins online. Another job...
     
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  9. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    It's interesting to see - I like your theory of dies secured, not stored in pairs and issued each morning.
     
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  10. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Very neat @dougsmit . Been busy with school and missed this.
     
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