To star or not to star - official game thread

Nobody is disputing that the second coin is better, but it still has marks. One on the bridge of the nose, one on the shoulder and a bunch more on the reverse including on the steps. To me, the first coin is an MS66, and the second is an MS67. I have the coin in hand, those aren’t gashes on cheek, they are shallow marks. Agreed, they are in a bad place, the focal area, but considering the MS66s from the 70’s and 80’s I’ve been posting earlier this week with huge, deep marks in the focal areas, the shade that this 50-D is getting is really unwarranted. My first impression when I saw the coin in hand was that it was one of the nicest 50-Ds I’ve ever seen, and I’ve owned dozens.

 

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Some of those 70s and 80s MS 66s were overgraded by quite a bit. Many people guessed under 66 there as well. And I called one of them a 64 (so it was two points over in my view). This 67 I can see being bumped to a 66 due to color, but to me it's still a 65+ as the mark (regardless of depth) sticks out. The 67 star has hits too, but they aren't as bothersome to the eye.

 

@ddddd please add me to the queue!

 

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(I'm not going to count the 50-D 67 star that I posted as it was more of a discussion related to the prior posting).

 

@ddddd thank you for the tag!

Up next is a 1913 Great Britain Penny

 

100% deserves a star

 

+1 pretty and deserves itv

 

Yes on the star for the 1913 GB penny!

 

Yes for the star. And if this doesn't get a star, I want to see another 1913 GB penny that does!

 

I'm going to buck the trend and say NO Star
It's a nice coin, but the spot between the A and B on the obverse sticks out to me and it seems that copper/bronze/brass coins (especially world) have a higher threshold to meet before getting a star.

 

I think the inconsistency of the star designation is directly related to training within the ranks of the NGC grading team. It wouldn’t surprise me if some of the World Coin grading staff don’t even know about the star designation.

 

Definitely a star on that gorgeous large penny!

 

I do not physically have this coin back in hand yet, so I edited the cert verification image to show that it did receive the star. Currently, there are only two coins in the entire series from 1902 to 1967 that have received the star designation. The other one is a 1966 in MS-64.

I have purposely removed the grade because this coin is currently the subject of my GTG thread.

 

Summary:
Rd. 1: 1955-S MS 64 1c (NO Star) --> Should it star? -->Yes: 2 vs No: 11

Rd. 2: 1885-O MS 65 $1 (NO Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 4 vs No: 3

Rd. 3: 1813 50c (NO Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 2 vs No: 9

Rd. 4: 1835 50c (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 1 vs No: 4

Rd. 5: 1821 50c (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 2 vs No: 4

Rd. 6: 1947-D 5c (NO Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 6 vs No: 2

Rd. 7: 1882-S $1 MS 63 (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 0 vs No: 8

Rd. 8: 1882-S $1 MS 67 (NO Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 2 vs No: 8

Rd. 9: Darth Morgan (NO Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

Rd. 10: 1820 Cent (NO Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 2 vs No: 5

Rd. 11: Swiss Silver (NO Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 1 vs No: 4

Rd. 12: 1940 50c (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 4 vs No: 3

Rd. 13: Israel Lira (NO Star*^) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 4 vs No: 0

Rd. 14: 1937-D 5c (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:2 vs No: 0

Rd. 15: 1885 Morgan (No Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:0 vs No: 12

Rd. 16: 1958-D Franklin (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:0 vs No: 7

Rd. 17: 1958-D Franklin #2 (No Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:1 vs No: 6

Rd. 18: 1958-D Franklin #3 (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:5 vs No: 2

Rd. 19: 1881-S Morgan (No Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:4 vs No: 3

Rd. 20: 1884-O Morgan (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:5 vs No: 2

Rd. 21: 1874 PF Trade Dollar (No Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:1 vs No: 6

Rd. 22: 1964 Kennedy (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:1 vs No: 7

Rd. 23: 1958-D Franklin (No Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:6 vs No: 3

Rd. 24: San Diego Commem (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:1 vs No: 5

Rd. 25: 1886 $1 (Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 7 vs No: 0

Rd. 26: 1887 $1 (No Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 0 vs No: 7

Rd. 27: 1880-S $1 (Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 4 vs No: 3

Rd. 28: 1963 PF 5c (No Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 5 vs No: 0

Rd. 29: 1968 PF 50c (No Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

Rd. 30: 1880-S $1 (Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 0 vs No: 6

Rd. 31: 1880-S $1 (Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 2 vs No: 3

Rd. 32: 1886 $1 (No Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 2 vs No: 5

Rd. 33: 1882-S $1 (Star)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 4 vs No: 6

Rd. 34: 1887 $1 (Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 1 vs No: 6

Rd. 35: 1900 India Rupee (No Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 5 vs No: 3

Rd. 36: 1880-S $1 (Star)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 8 vs No: 0

Rd. 37: 1918 Lincoln 50c (Star)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 1 vs No: 8

Rd. 38: 1886 Morgan MS 65 (No Star)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 2 vs No: 7

Rd. 39: 1884-O Morgan MS 65 (Star)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 1 vs No: 8

Rd. 40: Ireland 1/2D PR 63 (PCGS coin)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 2 vs No: 5

Rd. 41: 1949 Swiss Medal MS 65 (No Star)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 5 vs No: 3

Rd. 42: 1830 AU 50 50c (PCGS coin)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 3 vs No: 2

Rd. 43: 1881-S Morgan (No star)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 5 vs No: 4

Rd. 44: 1904-O Morgan (No star*^)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 0 vs No: 6

Rd. 45: 1964 PF Kennedy (Star)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 0 vs No: 9

Rd. 46: 1884-O Morgan MS 63 (No Star)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 0 vs No: 7

Rd. 47: 1892 Columbian MS 64 (No Star)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 4 vs No: 3

Rd. 48: 1974 Silver Ike PF 69 (Star)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 4 vs No: 3

Rd. 49: 1928 Peace $1 (No Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 0 vs No: 6

Rd. 50: 1950-D Jefferson 5c (No Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 6 vs No: 2

Rd. 51: 1913 GB Penny (Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

Totals:
No Star currently on holder, but deserves it: 11
No Star currently on holder and doesn't deserve it: 16
Star currently on holder and deserves it: 9
Star currently on holder, but doesn't deserve it: 13
PCGS holder, but deserves it upon crossover: 1
PCGS holder and doesn't deserve it upon crossover: 1

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Non-toned/PL category:
~ 1871 5c (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 5 vs No: 1
~ 1960 1c PF68 CAM (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 1 vs No: 4
~ 1881 (P) $1 MS 62 (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 7 vs No: 1
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*^ = signifies a coin that was most likely graded before the star designation was used for its respective series

 

I could believe it. It's hard to imagine how that could be, but there are so many examples that make one wonder. It would be nice if NGC went in and retrained all graders on how to apply the star more consistently.

 

Floor is open...

 

Here is another one that is on its way back to me.

1813 Isle of Man proof 1/2 Penny

 

I like it and think it is a nice coin but again will say no star as several spots stick out to me