To star or not to star - official game thread

It does have lovely toning but I can't overlook the hits on Jefferson's face. I'd say no star.

 

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I wholeheartedly agree. No star. Is that like getting no respect? ; - )

 

I guess I need to know the numeric grade for the coin in this instance. I already said no star but if the numerical grade was low enough I'd consider a star, just for the toning. So if Lehigh96 would share the numeric grade then it may influence all of our opinions.

 

Bag marks have nothing to do with the star designation. They lower the numerical grade but are not considered when evaluating for the star designation.

 

Then in this case, I'll have to change my vote from no star to star. The toning is wonderful.

 

As I mentioned in the other thread, there were two of these 50-D nickels in an auction I was following. They were similar in many ways yet different in others. After the reveal, I will share the picture of the other one as I don't want to reveal too much.

My opinion is YES to a star

 

Saying no. Nice though

 

Yes on the nickel.

 

Star on the nickel.

 

Very nice Jefferson. Yes on the star.

 

Don't ask me how, but this coin does not have a star.

 

With all of the gashes on Jefferson's face I can't see for the life of me how it got an MS 67 grade! I would think MS 65 * would be more appropriate. Hey, who am I? No respect, no respect at all!

 

Right - like you said, if you had known the numeric grade, you would have gone "no star". For that you get respect.

 

Summary:
Rd. 1: 1955-S MS 64 1c (NO Star) --> Should it star? -->Yes: 2 vs No: 11

Rd. 2: 1885-O MS 65 $1 (NO Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 4 vs No: 3

Rd. 3: 1813 50c (NO Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 2 vs No: 9

Rd. 4: 1835 50c (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 1 vs No: 4

Rd. 5: 1821 50c (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 2 vs No: 4

Rd. 6: 1947-D 5c (NO Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 6 vs No: 2

Rd. 7: 1882-S $1 MS 63 (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 0 vs No: 8

Rd. 8: 1882-S $1 MS 67 (NO Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 2 vs No: 8

Rd. 9: Darth Morgan (NO Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

Rd. 10: 1820 Cent (NO Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 2 vs No: 5

Rd. 11: Swiss Silver (NO Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 1 vs No: 4

Rd. 12: 1940 50c (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 4 vs No: 3

Rd. 13: Israel Lira (NO Star*^) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 4 vs No: 0

Rd. 14: 1937-D 5c (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:2 vs No: 0

Rd. 15: 1885 Morgan (No Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:0 vs No: 12

Rd. 16: 1958-D Franklin (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:0 vs No: 7

Rd. 17: 1958-D Franklin #2 (No Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:1 vs No: 6

Rd. 18: 1958-D Franklin #3 (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:5 vs No: 2

Rd. 19: 1881-S Morgan (No Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:4 vs No: 3

Rd. 20: 1884-O Morgan (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:5 vs No: 2

Rd. 21: 1874 PF Trade Dollar (No Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:1 vs No: 6

Rd. 22: 1964 Kennedy (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:1 vs No: 7

Rd. 23: 1958-D Franklin (No Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:6 vs No: 3

Rd. 24: San Diego Commem (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:1 vs No: 5

Rd. 25: 1886 $1 (Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 7 vs No: 0

Rd. 26: 1887 $1 (No Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 0 vs No: 7

Rd. 27: 1880-S $1 (Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 4 vs No: 3

Rd. 28: 1963 PF 5c (No Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 5 vs No: 0

Rd. 29: 1968 PF 50c (No Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

Rd. 30: 1880-S $1 (Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 0 vs No: 6

Rd. 31: 1880-S $1 (Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 2 vs No: 3

Rd. 32: 1886 $1 (No Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 2 vs No: 5

Rd. 33: 1882-S $1 (Star)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 4 vs No: 6

Rd. 34: 1887 $1 (Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 1 vs No: 6

Rd. 35: 1900 India Rupee (No Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 5 vs No: 3

Rd. 36: 1880-S $1 (Star)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 8 vs No: 0

Rd. 37: 1918 Lincoln 50c (Star)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 1 vs No: 8

Rd. 38: 1886 Morgan MS 65 (No Star)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 2 vs No: 7

Rd. 39: 1884-O Morgan MS 65 (Star)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 1 vs No: 8

Rd. 40: Ireland 1/2D PR 63 (PCGS coin)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 2 vs No: 5

Rd. 41: 1949 Swiss Medal MS 65 (No Star)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 5 vs No: 3

Rd. 42: 1830 AU 50 50c (PCGS coin)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 3 vs No: 2

Rd. 43: 1881-S Morgan (No star)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 5 vs No: 4

Rd. 44: 1904-O Morgan (No star*^)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 0 vs No: 6

Rd. 45: 1964 PF Kennedy (Star)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 0 vs No: 9

Rd. 46: 1884-O Morgan MS 63 (No Star)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 0 vs No: 7

Rd. 47: 1892 Columbian MS 64 (No Star)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 4 vs No: 3

Rd. 48: 1974 Silver Ike PF 69 (Star)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 4 vs No: 3

Rd. 49: 1928 Peace $1 (No Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 0 vs No: 6

Rd. 50: 1950-D Jefferson 5c (No Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 6 vs No: 2

Totals:
No Star currently on holder, but deserves it: 11
No Star currently on holder and doesn't deserve it: 16
Star currently on holder and deserves it: 8
Star currently on holder, but doesn't deserve it: 13
PCGS holder, but deserves it upon crossover: 1
PCGS holder and doesn't deserve it upon crossover: 1

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Non-toned/PL category:
~ 1871 5c (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 5 vs No: 1
~ 1960 1c PF68 CAM (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 1 vs No: 4
~ 1881 (P) $1 MS 62 (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 7 vs No: 1
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*^ = signifies a coin that was most likely graded before the star designation was used for its respective series

 

So I mentioned there being two of these, here is the other 1950-D nickel that was originally in the same auction. Should it star?

 

Of course it should

 

No doubt! Plus the MS67 grade looks right; just compare the obverse devices. How could the first one even be the same grade!

 

Because you are looking at two different types of photos. My photos are designed to show the actual appearance of the coin, including marks. The Great Collections photos hide details. So while there are two obvious marks on the cheek of the non star coin, there are a bunch of marks on the reverse of the star coin. If I photographed that coin, those marks would be much easier to see and bridge what you are perceiving as a grading gap.

In addition, the non star coin seems to have a better overall strike. There is planchet roughness one the jaw on both coins, but my photos make it seem much more pronounced.

The two coins are very similar and are not more than one grade apart IMO.

 

I was comparing the two using the same GC photos and to me the 67 star was a superior coin. The mark on the non-star is in an area of the obverse that sticks outs immediately. To me they are at least one grade apart if not 1.5.

https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/804857/1950-D-Jefferson-Nickel-NGC-MS-67-Toned

https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/804858/1950-D-Jefferson-Nickel-NGC-MS-67-226-152-133-Toned