Grading - is it gift or skill ?

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Grading - skill or gift ?

  1. It's a gift; some folks just "have it"

    3 vote(s)
    9.7%
  2. Skill alone - anyone can grade at any level of expertise with enough effort invested

    9 vote(s)
    29.0%
  3. It's both - more work increases skill up to one's personal limit

    19 vote(s)
    61.3%
  1. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    Here's a thought to ponder... is grading a gift or merely a skill ?

    Are some people truly gifted in this area, such that they can do things above and beyond the average guy ?

    Are the absolute highest levels of astuteness available to anyone who puts in the time, effort and study ? Or do individuals have a personal "ceiling", due to their natural limitations ?

    Have you known someone who seems truly remarkable, and seems to have a gift for grading ?

    Perhaps it's both a gift and a skill...

    For this discussion, let's include all aspects of evaluating any coins including ancients. Consider detecting counterfeits, alterations, discerning wear from weak strike or worn / greasy dies, AT vs NT, and anything else you can think of.

    Gentlemen, start your engines !!!
     
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  3. knowtracks

    knowtracks Senior Member

    learned thru practice.
     
  4. alpha480v

    alpha480v Senior Member

    It is a skill that anyone can learn with enough practice and experience.
     
  5. grizz

    grizz numismatist

    grading...........

    ...it's a skill that is learned.
     
  6. coleguy

    coleguy Coin Collector

    I believe it's a skill anyone can learn over time. Experience takes time.
    Guy~
     
  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The answer to that really depends on the individual for it is both. Yes, practice and knowledge are absolute requisites. But there are some who possess an innate gift and because of that they require much less practice than others.

    For example, some people can spend a lifetime, 40 or 50 years studying and practicing grading to get to a certain skill level. Others can spend but a few years and be considered by their peers to be the best there is. How else can you equate such a thing if it is not a gift ?

    Proof ? Well, the person who is perhaps one of if not the finest grader known is a young lad barely over 20 years old.
     
  8. zaneman

    zaneman Former Moderator


    If you are talking about who I think you are, he was the finalizer at PCGS at 18 years old I might add.
     
  9. The_Cave_Troll

    The_Cave_Troll The Coin Troll

    your question is a little like asking is the ability to hit a pitched baseball a skill or a gift. The reality is that most everyone with enough effort could learn to do it to some extrent, but to do it at the highest level requires a certain giftedness that simply cannot be learned. The same is true of coin grading. With enough practice most anyone could be a passable grader, but to be elite requires a gift too, at that level no amount of training can overcome not being specially gifted.
     
  10. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    I think The Cave Troll stated it the best. There are just some folks out there that have that extra ability ingrained within them and no amount of practice or study is going to make a regular "joe" such as I an expert in any given field. That said, I can still do a fair job at grading something...call it ballpark....but I lack that extra insight.
     
  11. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney Buh bye

    Not necessarily. Some of have been "grading" for years and still get it all wrong. No more comment.:vanish::vanish::vanish:
     
  12. Cloudsweeper99

    Cloudsweeper99 Treasure Hunter

    It's pure skill. Like all other human activities, some will have more skill than others. But I don't think there is any grading "gift." Hard work and interest in the subject are the primary requirements.

    ... and maybe a small amount of flair, hype and showmanship thrown in to impress the masses.
     
  13. coleguy

    coleguy Coin Collector

    I think thats as true an answer as you can get. It's like anything else...some people have it and some don't. Everyone can draw a picture, but few can paint a masterpiece. Everyone can hit a baseball, but few can hit them out of the stadium. Same goes for grading. Anyone can do it, but few can do it on a level that is consistent and reliable enough to be called professional.
    Guy~
     
  14. AdamL

    AdamL Well-Known Member

    No one is born with grading abilities.
     
  15. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    you can be a great with practice and hardwork but to be the best requires a certain amount of skill
     
  16. Phoenix21

    Phoenix21 Well-Known Member

    I believe it's both. It's like singing IMO, (similiar to what Cave Troll said really, lol). Anyone can learn to sing with enough practice, but it's truly a "talent" for many. Grading is really the same thing IMO. Some people have photographic memories, and that helps them a good bit if they want to be graders IMHO. Also, grading isn't just "one" thing. It's a combination of things. Knowledge, memory, being able to notice things real well, and knowledge (I know, I repeated myself. ;)) That's just my opinion on it for now. Interesting thread. :thumb:

    Phoenix :cool:
     
  17. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    It's a skill the average person can learn with practice , I don't think you can equate it to speed , or artistic ability . The person who was a finalizer at PCGS , probably started looking at a great no. of coins early in his life , take ten people with the same interest and desire to grade coins let them see the same no. of coins with the same help and guidence and I think they will all grade at about the same level in a matter of a couple of years .
    rzage
     
  18. acanthite

    acanthite ALIIS DIVES

    I agree that it is practice, but what takes one person a month to learn can take another years. The same can be said for learning any skill.
     
  19. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    You've given me a lot of good guidance, guys. Cave Troll's response best fits my thoughts. In his reponse, I'll highlight the key points which hit me square :

    To me, the essence of the issue is multi-fold :
    • Effort, study, and practice benefit anyone and everyone.
    • With equal effort, different individuals progress at different speeds.
    • Everyone has a personal ceiling based upon innate, inborn gifts and natural talent.
    • Different individuals plateau at different levels based upon two factors : natural gifts and good ol' fashioned work and effort.
    • Even the most naturally talented folks will have little skill if they don't put forth the effort.
    Seems that applies to almost anything; baseball, playing a violin, or paddling whitewater. Whatevah.

    Cave Troll didn't equate baseball and grading; he compared them, thus drawing an analogy. That was very helpful for me.

    Thanks, guys.

    Ricky
     
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