Episode 3: Genuine, Fake, or Altered Error?

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Weight is 3 11 grams. Normal diameter and thickness. Which is it, and why?

 

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I am not an error guy. But darned if I don’t think I see a seam all around the perimeter of this one. I vote fake.

 

Looks genuine to me.

Another genuine one:

https://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=323722

 

Capped Die? ~ Chris

 

Nice! @TypeCoin971793's thread is quite good with extremely similar images.

 

Let’s explain the physics:

A coin gets struck, but it sticks to one of the dies (in this case, the obverse one). A planchet still gets fed in between the dies, but when the dies come together, there is both a struck coin and the planchet. The planchet gets a normal reverse impression, but the obverse gets a brockage of the first coin’s reverse.

On the first coin, the impact between the reverse’s image and the blank planchet obverse obliterates the image. The stresses from the shape of the obverse die get transferred through the two planchets, so it shows up as a ghost image on the first coin. In addition, the dies still strike with the same force for the calibrated distance. However, that distance is altered by the presence of two planchets instead of one. That increases the net pressure felt by the first coin, and it will spread out at the edges, creating the “seam” you see.

You are also seeing a wire rim on the obverse resulting from the capped die. The rim on the reverse is a result of the unstruck planchet being smaller than the finished coin.

 

yup!

 

That is not yet a capped die, nor is mine

 

Thank you for that. I am a mechanically minded person that understands things by knowing how they work. And that makes perfect sense to me. Thanks.

 

This is not a capped die...

 

I vote genuine. Not yet die cap... Maybe a late stage die cap strike?

 

Uniface Strike. Mike Diamond spilled the beans in @TypeCoin971793 's link.

 

I think it is a Genuine error.

This seems backwards to me in comparison to the posted coin in question.
The OP's coin has a Normal Obverse and brockage on the Reverse.

 

lATE sTAGE DIE CAP ...
rEAL ................

 

Hello everyone i'm back from a long break . The members that said this is a capped die are correct. Actually it is from a late stage die cap. I know some of you members remembers the one I put on here that all of you said was not a mint error including one error expert . I still have that one and it is the most unusal looking one ever and I had it examined because I knew it was real and the error expert said it was from a die cap that had kept rotating between strikes. I may put it on Ebay be forelong.

 

It isn’t a brockage because it does not have the impression of another coin in it. That is because the other “coin” was blank and could not impart another image

 

The coin that was stuck to the reverse die was almost totally worn out from so many strikes.

 

there was no coin stuck to the reverse die

 

Okay @JCro57 ! I give up. What is it? ~ Chris

 

Two planchets entered the striking chamber, one DIRECTLY top of the other, and were then subsequently struck by the dies.

The force of the dies transfered their designs through each planchet, leaving incused, mirrored/reversed images as phantom images.

This effect can also lead to a "wire-rim" look as seen on the reverse.

What we have here is GENUINE; it is a "full uniface" or "full indent" strike.