The Old Saying Is True...."don't buy problem coins...you will regret it.."

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  1. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    A visit to the SDB turned this up - a purchase from long ago. 1798 draped bust dollar with obvious problems. I don't know why I ever bought this. I guess I was very young and owning one of these, in any condition, was an accomplishment.
    Not so much pleasure from it now, though....

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    Post your coins that give you 'buyers regret' !
     
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  3. dwhiz

    dwhiz Collector Supporter

    I paid way to much for this. I needed it to complete my
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  4. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    It would be this one for me. I wasn’t very educated when it came to problem surfaces when I purchased her. This one had been cleaned and I bought it as part of a lot in the 1990’s. It was one of the first coins I sent in to be graded. The TPG caught the cleaned surfaces and duly noted it on the label for me.
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  5. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I bought this thirty something years ago. I knew it was cleaned but thought it would be a nice choice for the Dansco type set. Thought it would tone to a more natural color but it never did.
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  6. Fugio1

    Fugio1 Well-Known Member

    This was my "bargain". Great reverse, but serious obverse flan void with some tooling evidence on the nose and in front of the face. Really just half a coin and it pains me every time I look at it. I Usually try to buy coins that will never need upgrading because I ultimately never regret spending the extra money. Never compromise your own standards for a bargain. 167-1-obolos-3.59gm.jpg
     
  7. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect since I was a baby

    I've got too many to post.
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Boy ! You just can't imagine how tempted I was to throw a good natured rib jab your way on that comment ! But seeing as how you've gotten "no respect for 64 years" - I suffered a severe moment of weakness and resisted the temptation. Not sure it'll ever happen again though :D

    But back to the subject at hand - regretting buying problem coins. I think of it in a rather simple and straightforward way. Whether you regret it or not depends on why ya did it in the first place. For example, I know all to well how people want to complete sets and or fill holes. And in order to do that they often feel almost compelled to settle for either a problem coin or an example of one graded much lower (but problem free) than what what they really want because of budget constraints. As I see it, either one of those reasons is reason for regret.

    Here's why. In both cases you are spending money that is not well spent. Spending money on coins that you fully intend to upgrade at some point in the future, well, it's kinda spending the same money twice, and for a poor reason - namely to satisfy impatience. And sometimes the way it works out you end up spending even more than the same money twice because the cost of the coin you want has increased, sometimes greatly increased, over what it was back then. Thus often making you wait even longer to get what you really want.

    The answer to this dilemma is patience at the beginning. If you can't get what you want, then simply wait and save up for that coin until you can. This usually reduces the total amount of money you spend, and usually reduces the time you have to wait. Both things end up being the plus column for you. And the added bonus is an additional coin you could buy with the money you saved on the 1st by being smart about it ;)

    And no, I didn't start this post without also having an example in mind of when buying a problem is justified - and without regret. That occurs when you buy a problem coin for the best reason there is - because you like it !

    Ya see, there's never gonna be any regret for buying a coin because you like it. The regret only comes when you buy a coin because of an excuse. Throw that excuse in there and yeah, it's a near certainty there's gonna be eventual regret. It's a lesson that everyone should tuck away in their minds, and even better, teach to others ;)

    Now have I ever bought a problem coin, and I have bought my share of them, and ended up regretting it ? Nope, not even once. Because I never bought one unless I liked purely for itself :)
     
  9. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Never was there a post that so aptly describes me. When I take on the project of completing a set I will totally buy any example I can find to plug the loathsome “empty hole”. And you are correct. Rarely do I go back to upgrade. I just file the set away as complete to be rarely looked at again...... Thanks for the introspective guilt trip, Doug!!;)o_O
     
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  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    In your case Randy I'd say there shouldn't be any guilt trip. Ya see, most folks do go the upgrade route, and that's the part that causes the regret. Usually anyway. But since you don't upgrade - regret over that just aint there.

    Of course ya can still have the regret over not going the other way and exercising patience. And if that's the case for you, well sorry 'bout that ! But I just call 'em as I see 'em.
     
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  11. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Yep. There are plenty of us out there who would be happy to own a graffiti'd and/or cleaned and/or holed 18th-century dollar. We won't pay as much for it as others would for a problem-free example -- but it's not supposed to be entirely about the price, is it?

    Edit: Of course, lots of us get more discerning as we spend more time in the hobby, and that can lead to regrets. I've got a couple of coins that I thought were great when I bought them, and now I can see glaring problems when I look at them. But you aren't going to spend ten years studying and then suddenly realize "OMG, this coin has a hole! I wish I'd known enough to recognize holes when I bought it..."
     
  12. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect since I was a baby

    Your comment brought a tear to my eye; the good one.
     
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  13. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

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    This isn't exactly what you're after, but I paid way over market (the asking price of $325) for this because of a flaw in my comps. I thought I'd cherry picked a NC-6 because my NC-6 Obverse Comp didn't note it was used on S-64 and S-65 as well.

    But I rarely regret getting a flawed coin as long as I get the proper discount for the flaw. My collection would be severely limited otherwise.

    Here are a couple of my favorite flawed coins:
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  14. gronnh20

    gronnh20 Well-Known Member

    Maybe you can a hug from @GDJMSP . Since, he don't hand out likes.
     
  15. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Have you attributed it? I'm not familiar with it, but it looks like a B-13. But it also has interesting features at the bottom of 7 and middle of 9. It also looks like several varieties used this obverse.
     
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  16. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect since I was a baby

    He'd need to be tested first by the CDC. Plus, I don't think he's blonde and wears high heals.
     
  17. GenX Enthusiast

    GenX Enthusiast Forensic grammatician

    The impatience mentioned above is my constant companion, the Rosencranz to my Gildenstern, the monkey on my shoulder that picks my pocket. Dangerous little beast.
    Back when I thought price guides were exactly that, and that any graded slab was trustworthy, I thought I was getting good deals at auction on what I've come to understand are terribly artificially toned Morgans.

    Here's the worst, got me for 100 clams, and the Pics don't give an idea of how Blue both sides are in the center of the coin. I've since seen hundreds of obviously gassed, practically hand painted coins on the seller's website. The grade is ridiculous, too.

    If I run out of TP, this is the first thing I use.

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  18. sambyrd44

    sambyrd44 Well-Known Member

    This half cent was lacquered and I knew it when I bought it. Now many years later its a very stable mellow color. Thankfully the surfaces were quite nice under the lacquer and I was careful when removing it. I don't regret its purchase and it is a problem coin. upload_2020-3-14_11-38-45.png
     
  19. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect since I was a baby

    MS 65? I guess that's why many people don't have faith in ICG; not that the other's are perfect either. Some pretty deep marks in front of the eyes.
     
  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Welllllll - you're right about the high heels, unless cowboy boots count :D

    But that blonde bit, as it happens my hair was snow white for many years. But in the last 5 or so, danged if my ponytail has turned blonde !! :jawdrop:

    Now I see it as benefit for me, I mean it gives me the same built in excuse that blondes, especially my ex-wife, have always had. And that comes in right handy from time to time :D

    But that don't mean you're gonna get to gimme a hug - unh uh - that aint happenin ! :D
     
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  21. GenX Enthusiast

    GenX Enthusiast Forensic grammatician

    Exactly, no way the coin is gem, but the color got me and all the other ill-informed going. That's a pretty big star mark under the P in Pluribus. Almost enough to take away a straight grade, and worse in hand.

    As to problem coins I like/love and was able to get cheaply for the details designation, hereyagoo:
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