My first gold

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Only a Poor Old Man, Mar 12, 2020.

  1. Only a Poor Old Man

    Only a Poor Old Man Well-Known Member

    No, it is not a Phillip II stater (I wish) but a humble (for some) Byzantine solidus. Ancient gold coins come at a premium, but you can still get a bargain if it is a Byzantine one and if you look hard enough. The following one had the right balance of wear on Christ's face and price.

    CONSTANTINE VII PORPHYROGENITUS (945-955) - Constantinople (19mm - 4.33 gr)

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    Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus was an emperor of the Macedonian dynasty from 913 to 959. He barely had the chance to rule alone, and as it can be seen in this coin one of the co-rulers was Romanos Lekapenos (from 920 until 945). Porphyrogenitus is not a surname, but it translates as "the one born in purple" and that refers to the purple room of the imperial palace (decorated with porphyry), where the children of the emperors were born. He was known to be a collector, an art enthusiast, a writer, and a scholar. His books are still available if you look hard enough. On top of that he was a pretty good emperor too, making good decisions and appointing the right people to the right positions.

    Show off your golds!
     
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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Beautiful!
    Byzantine (or other ancient gold) is, and probably will always be, out of my price range.
     
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  4. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Congrats, @Only a Poor Old Man ! I see a lot of folks start with Byzantine AV. Yours looks great.

    My first gold was from Carthage...

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    CARTHAGE, ZEUGITANA
    AV GOLD 1/10 STATERor Trihemiobol.
    350-320 BCE Carthage mint
    7.50 mm, 0.94 g
    Obv: Palm tree with two date-clusters
    Rev: Horse’s head right
    Ref:Jenkins & Lewis Group III, 138; GC.6461-Müller II,87,81; Sear 6455; SNG Cop (Nordafrika) 132, MAA 8; SNG Lloyd 1613; Pozzi 3290-1; Boston MFA 500

    My second Gold was Electrum (natural gold / silver ore mix)
     
  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Nice example @Only a Poor Old Man. It's nice to hold gold, eh? My only gold, which was purchased at a bargain basement price:
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    VALENS
    AV Solidus
    OBVERSE: DN VALENS PER F AVG, pearl-diademed, draped & cuirassed bust right
    REVERSE: RESTITVTOR REIPUBLICAE, Valens standing right, holding labarum in right hand & Victory on globe in left, cross to left. Mintmark star ANTE star
    Struck at Antioch, 364 AD
    3.6g, 19mm
    Antioch RIC 2d,xxxvii-5
     
  6. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ...nice...obviously something only the poor can afford.. :)rolleyes:i ain't got any!)...
     
  7. svessien

    svessien Senior Member

    Very nice. Congrats!
    I only have one gold ancient coin....

    Sear 20899 Honorius solidus.jpg
     
  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

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    Africa, Zeugutana, Carthage
    Anonymous BCE 310-290
    EL Dekadrachm - Stater
    18.5mm, 7.27g
    Obverse: Wreathed head of Tanit left, eleven pendants on necklace; pellet before neck
    Reverse: Horse standing right; three pellets below exergue line
    Ref: MAA 12; SNG Copenhagen 136
     
  9. Nicholas Molinari

    Nicholas Molinari Well-Known Member

    That is a nice one—just enough of Christ’s face still showing.
     
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  10. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Hey, my only gold also happens to be a Constantine VII solidus. Or, more precisely, it used to be a Constantine VII solidus. :shame: At some point in the past, someone clipped it down to just this little bitty thing, presumably to have it serve as a small religious pendant or talisman featuring just the face of Christ.

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    BYZANTINE EMPIRE, Constantine VII Porphrogenitus
    AV Solidus, clipped and ex-jewelry. 1.22g, 9.6mm. Constantinople mint, AD 945-959. Sear 1751; DOC 15. O: [+IhS XPS RЄX RЄGNANƮIUM], bust of Christ facing, wearing nimbus cruciger, pallium and colobium, raising right hand in benediction and holding Book of Gospels in left hand. R: [CONSƮANƮ CЄ ROMAN AVGG], facing busts of of Constantine VII, with short beard and wearing loros on left, and Romanus II, beardless and wearing chlamys on right, both crowned and holding between them long patriarchal cross.
     
  11. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    Only a Poor Old Man, Congratulations on your score :D! Byzantine gold coins are still affordable & you get a lot of "bang for the bucks" ;).
     
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  12. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    Alegandron, That is a stunning gold stater :jawdrop:! I think I waited too long to sink my teeth into one of those staters :(. They have been selling for big money at auction the last few years :mad:.
     
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  13. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    Attached below are a few of my favorite Byzantine gold coins :D.

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    Her. & Sons, Solidus.jpg
    NGC 4790075-008 Slab Info.jpg

    Romanus III, Solidus.jpg
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  14. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    all fantastic coins in this thread - I just cannot get my head around calling any of them “humble” :D This one is not the purest gold - but perhaps qualifies:
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    John III Doukas Vatatzes Emperor of Nicaea 1222-1254 AV Hyperpyron
    Size: 22-24mm and 4.1g
    Obv: (double struck?) Christ enthroned facing, nimbate and raising hand
    Rev: Emperor standing facing, holding long cross and being crowned by Mary to right.
     
  15. kaparthy

    kaparthy Well-Known Member

    I was looking for archaic silver and it was medieval specialist Dr. Andy Singer who handed this across the counter and said, "Sometimes gold can be as cheap as silver."

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    1/12 stater electrum. Miletus c. 500 BCE.

    It is my only ancient gold.
    It is not uncommon for Byzantine (Romaion) gold to be at about twice bullion, which is pretty good for anything ancient and truly numismatic. They struck a lot of gold to pay off their enemies and maintain their shrinking empire. As Islam rose, Rome contracted.

    (1) They called themselves "Roman" or "Romaion." The word "Byzantine" was a French invention of the 18th century encyclopedists. See "What, if anything, is a Byzantine?" here: http://www.romanity.org/htm/fox.01.en.what_if_anything_is_a_byzantine.01.htm

    (2) I f you read science fiction, allow me to recommend Up the Line by Robert Silverberg. It is a time travel story set in the Eastern Roman Empire where time guys have little villas of their own. (Silverberg has other science fiction with archaeology as the framework.)
     
  16. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    I've owned a few gold coins in the past, but this somewhat pugilistic solidus of Theodosius II is the only gold coin currently in my collection:
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    Constantinople mint, A.D. 430-440
    Obv: D N THEODO-SIVS P F AVG
    Rev: VOT XXX MVLT XXXX S - Constantinopolis, seated on throne, facing left, holding scepter and globus cruciger (cross on globe)
    CONOB in exergue; [star] in right field
    RIC 275
    21mm, 4.4g
     
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  17. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    gsimonel, I sold a solidus of the same type a couple of years ago at a Heritage auction pictured below. Despite some doubling on the reverse the coin managed to sell for $3,840.00 :jawdrop:!
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    Ex Al Kowsky Collection, rev..jpg
     
  18. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    DARIC

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    PERSIA, Achaemenid Empire.
    Darios I to Xerxes II.
    Circa 485-420 BC.
    AV Daric (14mm, 8.30 g). Lydo-Milesian standard. Sardes mint.
    Persian king or hero, wearing kidaris and kandys, quiver over shoulder, in kneeling-running stance right, holding spear in right hand, bow in left /
    Incuse punch.
    Carradice Type IIIb, Group A/B (pl. XIII, 27);
    Meadows, Administration 321; BMC Arabia pl. XXIV, 26.

    Twenty-five drachmas equals one Daric

    The "feel" / specific gravity of a gold coin 1/4 TOZ or more is very nice. I have several varieties of Modern Gold, but when you hold 1/4 TOZ, 1/2TOZ, or more, there is a wow experience with that weighty-feeling in such a small object. Store of Wealth Value.
     
  19. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Your lucky, it's a nice coin & congrats.

    No ancient gold for me :(
     
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  21. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    great addition! these are fun to collect:)
    some of mine... 4f448c3300d29637d7e757d919eacbe1.jpg 76bae2a18e9d1cbb4dc03db9b368d25e.jpg 122e1ef80de73e8d5e90f3f9f887a62c.jpg 08402q00-630x_.jpg d8e5b7e688767eaf8527d621fcc06e71.jpg bf1544bbb0ffc08988643b4625ca3887.jpg image00050 (1).jpg france-orange-prince-raymond-iii-5675907-XL.jpg 1fbfda10d10a8eb44dde1c50e76cf712.jpg 4a05d0f1195e34ccb796b3427292ec06 (1).jpg
     
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