1795 Silver Dollar authentic

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Real or fake? And reason why?

  1. Real

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  2. Fake

    7 vote(s)
    87.5%
  1. Troutmanbruno

    Troutmanbruno New Member

    Is this authentic or is it a fake?
    Would this coin grade at pcgs?
     

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  3. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Where did you aquire it?
    Is it in a slab already?
     
  4. Troutmanbruno

    Troutmanbruno New Member

    Yes it’s in a nnc holder.
    Bought 15/20 years ago.
    From Centsles on eBay.
    I just want to make sure it’s the real deal.
     
  5. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    I'm curious too.
    I don't like the reverse denticles but I'm no expert on this series.
     
  6. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    If it's not real it's not going to grade.
    These coins go for thousands of dollars. So, if you got it and it was a great deal,
    it's not going to be real. If you paid thousands of dollars, why would you do that
    with a coin that has not be certified as genuine, and you don't know the difference?
    NNC may not be a quality grader. Are they still in business?
    Wait for experts on this series to give their opinions. You can't buy this coin without it first having been sent to either NGC, PCGS, ANACS or ICG. And then AFTER it comes back real, it would be safer to buy.

    As for condition. It looks pretty good. It's grainy, but if it's genuine, I would be XF. The denticles on the reverse right side is an issue. But maybe it is slightly MAD.
    Experts here would know what's going on with this coin.
     
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  7. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    It looks like a cast copy to me. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we have negative reports about *Centsles* on these forums some years ago? ~ Chris
     
  8. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Most likely came from a details slab
     
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  9. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I did a short search of this guy, It seems like he owns NNC. Also he never details a coin and is usually off by at least 4 grades when he calls them MS. you might do your own search and if you can still return the coin then do.

    PS It seems that once in a blue moon, he does get it close but rarely.
     
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  10. Troutmanbruno

    Troutmanbruno New Member

    Thanks,
    Not bad you take counterfeit coins put them in a holder and auction them off as authentic.
    No Description here!
     
  11. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    It’s almost certainly real, just very likely from a details slab. I’ve yet to hear of him selling counterfeits
     
  12. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    Yes he is reputed to know his stuff.
    On the other hand, the "grades" he puts on his slabs are worse than useless.
     
  13. kSigSteve

    kSigSteve Active Member

    Definitely not an expert especially on this series but from looking at nearly every example on PCGS, the first A in America has a die line within which is not present on the OP example. I am sure there was more than 1 reverse die used with roughly 43k minted.

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    I also feel like I see several pimples scattered throughout this coin. This coupled with the strange wear (hair looked worked on or not evenly worn given the high points) has me questioning authenticity.

    edit - it appears the reverses with the die line in the A are from the off centered strike and the OP is a centered strike so that cannot be indicative determination of authenticity.
     
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  14. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    1795 Dr Bust Dol O.jpg 1795 Dr Bust Dol R.jpg

    Here is the NGC certified coin that is in my collection.

    I don't like the coin in the OP because of the pitting in the fields on both sides. I fear that it is a cast copy. For that reason I would not buy it raw with an eye toward slabbing it to increase my return on a re-sell.

    Buying a coin like this that has been certified by a "third world grading company" is the same as buying it raw.
     
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  15. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Looks like only wear on the higher areas. Way too many pits for me. Looks like a cast copy.
     
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  16. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Has the OP weighed this coin? That might give some clues.
     
  17. Troutmanbruno

    Troutmanbruno New Member

    No it hasn’t been weighed
     
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