IONIA, Phokaia Tetartemorion ? ? ? 0.06 grams ? ? ?

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  1. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

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    Is my scale wildly out of calibration? The Sear book shows the Ionia Tetartemorion at c. 0.4 grams and this coin is weighing-in at 0.06 grams. I’m getting tired of taking it out of the holder & re-weighing it. IT WEIGHS 0.06 GRAMS on my Dillon scale. It is certainly the smallest ancient coin that I have personally ever handled. It was promptly placed it into a 2x2 so it wouldn’t get lost in the carpeting.

    0.06 grams would be about 1/48th of a 3.2 gram ancient drachm. What do you folks think? I appreciate your comments & corrections to my coin label.

    @DougSmith posted a similar conundrum here: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/show-results.325585/#post-3216338 I agree that it is difficult to make this 4mm coin look impressive on a large computer screen. If you stand about 3 meters from the computer, you will appreciate what this coin looks like in hand with the naked eye.

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    IONIA, Phokaia
    AR Tetartemorion
    530-510 B.C.

    0.06 grams (0.9 grains), 4 mm.
    Obv: Head of griffin facing right.
    Rev: Incuse square roughly quartered.
    Grade: Good fine or a VF. Well centered coin w/ obverse griffin head easy to see w/o magnification.
    Other: Sear 3500D, B.M.C. 14.215, 85.

    Do you have a teeny-tiny coin? Please post ‘em if you got ‘em.
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Now that's small!

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    PHOKAIA, IONIA
    AE12
    OBVERSE: Female head left, hair in a sphendone
    REVERSE: Head of griffin left
    Sturck at Phokaia, ca 350-300 BC
    12mm, 1.86g
    BMC 91-93; SNG von Aulock 2135; SNG Cop 1031-1033; SNG Leipzig 1206; SNG Tuebingen 3121-3122
     
  4. dougsmit

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  5. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    I will put some serious effort into getting better photos posted. The photos will speak more than 1,000 words. :) Thank you for the link!
     
  6. Ed Snible

    Ed Snible Well-Known Member

    The British Museum has examples at 0.09 and 0.11 g. They just call them fractions. The weights on this page are in "grains", not grams. No picture.

    The ANS has one at 0.87 g (again, no picture here). They just call it a fraction.

    If your coin was issued during Persian times it is probably a 1/192 stater. If issued during Greek times, a hemitetartemorion.

    This one is double triple the weight of yours:
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    Ionia, Teos 475-450 BC, Tetartemorian. 0.18g, 7mm
     
  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    WOW, @Collect89 ! NICE find, cool tiny!

    I have decided to cut mine in half so that I can have one as small as yours!

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    Ionia AR Tetartemorion 4mm 0.13g 530-500 BCE Rosette - Incuse sq punch 5 pellets SNG von Aulock 1807


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    Iona Kolophon AR Tetartemorion 530-520 BCE Archaic Apollo Incuse Punch 0.15g 4.5mm- SNG Kayhan 343 Left old
     
  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

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    Uncert West Asia Minor Karia 5th C BC AR tetartemorion 5mm 0.15g Female - Frprt Bull man r Kayhan 968 exc rght


    Ionia Miletos AR Tetartemorion  5.6mm 0.21g Roaring Lion Hd - Bird Klein 430 SNG Kay 941.JPG

    Ionia Miletos AR Tetartemorion 5.6mm 0.21g Roaring Lion Hd - Bird Klein 430 SNG Kay 941


    Aeolis Elaia AR Tetartemorion 460  BCE Athena L - Olive Wreath 7.8mm 0.16g SNG Cop 166.JPG
    Aeolis Elaia AR Tetartemorion 460 BCE Athena L - Olive Wreath 7.8mm 0.16g SNG Cop 166
     
  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I really like yours! Mine is a tad bigger...

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    IONIA Teos AR tetartemorion 0.2g 6mm Hd griffin R mouth open - Quadripartite incuse SNG Turkey 602
     
  10. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    It strikes me that the same dies could have produced these large and the small coins like the OP and mine.
     
  11. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    It doesn't appear that the edge was chipped recently & I'm not being very successful shooting new photos with available equipment. We must get rid of the dust, get better depth of field, & take it out of the holder for the umpteenth time. Apologies to all that gaze at this photo. :)


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    Everyone's posted coins & photos are awesome. I think this tiny, thin coin has suffered in the soil.

    The seller's holder said it weighed a gram.:D
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  12. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    OMG, this coin is so small, I see MOLECULE CHAINS right beside it.

    No, @Collect89 , you have GREAT photographic skills!

    :D :D :D

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  13. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

    Here's mine that is just that much slightly bigger to make it near-ish the range you mention for the tetartemorion.

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    Phokaia, Ionia, Circa 500-460 BC
    AR Tetartemorion
    Obverse
    : Head of griffin right.
    Reverse: Quadripartite incuse square.
    References: SNG Copenhagen Supp. 339, SNG von Aulock 7938
    Size: 7mm, 0.33g
    Notes: Appears to be a double die match with Roma E-Sale 10 (7/26/2014), Lot # 336

    I find that incuse quad interesting with the bit that is not incuse (on mine mostly bottom-right), and that it's on others of the similar type, like the OP, whereas it doesn't seem accidental??
     
  14. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    Teos Hemitartemorian it is. :):):)

    IONIA, Teos
    AR Hemitartemorion
    ca. 500 B.C.

    0.06 grams (0.9 grains), 4 mm.
    Obv: Head of griffin facing right.
    Rev: Incuse square roughly quartered.
    Grade: Good Fine or better
    for the type.
    Well centered coin with rough surfaces.
    Obverse griffin head easy to see
    without magnification.

    Other: Possibly Matzke Group Bx4
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  15. Neal

    Neal Well-Known Member

    My Neandria tetartemorion is .08, but then, there is still a good bit of dirt in the very deep incus.
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