Discoveries of advanced pre-flood civiliztions

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  1. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    That's not a pyramid. It's a naturally formed hill.

    May I recommend a decent book that debunks a lot of this junk archaeology?

    https://www.amazon.com/Frauds-Myths-Mysteries-Pseudoscience-Archaeology/dp/0078035074
     
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  3. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    You guys will LOVE the crackpot website Stolenhistory.org

    I'm all for alternate archaeology, but what I'm NOT for is getting banned from a forum for insisting that there are, in fact, enough plants and plankton on the planet to produce the oxygen in the atmosphere.
     
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  4. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    Thank you, David. I thought at first that this thread was intended humorously, and was quite surprised to realize that it wasn't.
     
  5. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

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    LOL.
     
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  6. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    When I was younger, I was pretty enthusiastic about the "Ancient Aliens" theories -- although at that time, they were in books and the occasional broadcast special, not multiple ongoing series.

    Now? I figure that academic researchers are interested in explaining and understanding what might have happened, and TV shows are interested in attracting and keeping viewers. In my experience, one is a better source for entertainment, but the other is a better source for information.

    Now, having said that -- a lot of people have dismissed the possibility of advanced ancient civilizations because we can't see the evidence they left behind. You know, the strip mines, the huge building foundations, the traces of metal structures, that sort of thing. In a different direction, they dismiss the possibility of extraterrestrial intelligence, because we don't see evidence of activity there either (radio signals, mostly, so far). Our planet certainly became very loud very suddenly in the last century.

    But one way our civilization is advancing is in cleaning up after itself, or not making messes in the first place. We're working to reduce the volume of persistent trash we produce, to slow our consumption of natural resources, to avoid throwing our planet's ecology out of balance. Some of us, at least, are working to reduce the footprints we leave on the world -- and advancing technology is making it easier to do this. What if there were a culture where it was unseemly, or even forbidden, to build structures or tools or traces that will stick around long after you're gone?

    And as for Radio ET, radio waves that go into space are wasted. The better we get at communication, the better we get at directing most of the energy to where it can be used, whether through larger numbers of smaller and lower-power and more directional antennas, or by confining it to cables and fibers. And the better we get at encoding information into those signals, the more they look like random noise. It would be easy to pick up and decode a random radio signal from the early 20th century with early 20th-century technology. Intercepting an early 21st-century broadcast? Well, you'd better have the right software decoders, and maybe decryption logic, and don't forget to buy the right certificates for the DRM. Try to pick it up with a simple analog radio receiver, and all you'll hear is hissing. Which, as it turns out, is (a) exactly what we'd expect to hear from a natural process not involving intelligence, and (b) exactly what we actually hear when we listen for stuff from Out There.

    Which is it? Random noise, or adult conversation that we aren't yet old enough to understand? There's no telling -- until we grow up some more.
     
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  7. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    I used to love that show when I was a kid. Leonard Nimoy!
     
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  8. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

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  9. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Now now my friend. Don't go and confuse everyone with all of this science stuff. Everyone knows it is much better to speculate about aliens than to read books written by people who have actually studied the subject. These days everyone
    who can use google is an "expert", no study necessary.

    Please, no more of this well researched information. It is flying in the face of all this fun fantasy people here are cooking up.:troll:
     
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  10. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    There's a hypothesis that in the last several hundred million years, countless civilizations could have risen and fallen, and we would have been never the wiser today.

    Consider that absolutely NOTHING we can produce today will last 1 million years. Even the never-decaying plastic will wither away into nothingness in 1 million years.

    Now consider that "elevated" human civilization can realistically be dated back around 40 thousand years via cave paintings.

    There's a big difference between 1 million years and 40 thousand, let alone several hundred million years.

    It's certainly possible that advanced, star-faring civilizations came before us.

    But until proof is presented, it's all tall tales and wishful thinking
     
  11. Clavdivs

    Clavdivs Well-Known Member

    Yep at the end of the day it's all about proof... and the gods of Augustus
    and the god of Constantine have produced absolutely ZERO PROOF.

    Kind of like the new photos we would all love to see of @panzerman 's coins ... just so we are sure that aliens aren't involved in all of that gold. But we know that it isn't happening.. o_O
     

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  12. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    I think it's good to keep an open mind, but these sensationalized junk science entertainment shows,books, etc that have been around for decades (Chariots of the Gods, anybody) do more harm than good. IMO, they are a lot like the "Get Rich From Pocket Change" YouTube videos.
     
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  13. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I am not one to watch TV for info. They love to sensationalize to capture viewership and ROI. I like to read. Then, I can re-read the information, cross-reference, challenge, contrast against other findings, etc.

    I am an optimistic skeptic. Open-minded, but like to rigorously challenge. I want the TRUTH, not the wannabe hope.

    There was a cool TV Series, “Life After People”, that speculated what would happen to Earth if all Humans suddenly disappeared. Very cool. If I recall, after approx 50,000 years virtually all traces of Humanity would be gone. Even most plastics would disintegrate in that relatively short period of time. Yes, there would be residual traces, but within a million years, perhaps within much less time (a millisecond in cosmic time) traces of NOTHING of Humanity would be around. Interesting speculations. Nothing was hinted of other Human civilizations or extraterrestrial life. Only, what would happen to Earth if we suddenly disappeared.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_After_People
     
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  14. NewStyleKing

    NewStyleKing Beware of Greeks bearing wreaths

    Gosh, I didn't think people still believed in Atlantis, Aliens and that lost advanced civilisations stuff. Pass me a polished skull someone....
     
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  15. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I think you added a couple zeroes in there...
     
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  16. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Derp, I did add an (that’s one not a couple) extra zero and have fixed it. I wasTrying to respond to a CT pals post while doing child care. Cuneiform dates back to 3,200 (my piece isn’t that old). And thanks for catching that and being polite.
    This thread has kind of degenerated from what I thought was a lighthearted question into some folks being kind of pompous and mean.
    I do believe the Minoans probably were the fabled people of Atlantis from Plato (Egypt also recorded their demise). Am I a crack pot then? And I do believe there is organic life out there (there’s signs of it one planet over https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...r-organic-molecules-thiophenes-scn/index.html).
    So, because I, someone who doesn’t watch any of the TV shows you all are making fun of, believe there is validity in these subjects I must also believe in fake crystal skull trinkets sold to sucker @$$ tourists?? Pretty lame.
    Intelligent life however, is sadly missing from our universe.
     
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  17. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Why hasn’t anyone liked this comment? Is it rude and condescending?
     
  18. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    One for each year. ;)
     
  19. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    I have an ancient jug which includes a lot of colored geometrical and other paintings. It's believed by reference that it dates back to over 6 thousand years. May I ask what civilizations existed at that time ? Is it Mesopotamia ? If so , is it Sumerian.
     
  20. Terry Chester

    Terry Chester New Member

    At the rate the human race is going now, maybe we need to pay close attention and gain all the knowledge we can from these ancient civilizations.

    Would we (the human race survive if we were plunged back into the life style of the early civilizations). If suddenly we woke up to no technology?

    I might be able to for a short while.
     
  21. atcarroll

    atcarroll Well-Known Member

    If civilization fell, somehow, and we had the clock reset, so to speak, humanity would survive. There would probably be a period of chaos lasting a couple generations, most of us would perish, but some would survive. Over time, the stories passed down by the survivors to their descendants would probably bear a striking resemblance to primitive people's stories of gods, past calamities, and lost "golden ages". after 15,000 years, no trace of our civilization would remain, and people would scoff at anyone who thought it was possible that their historical record might not be accurate.
     
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