Tweak your grading skills 1877 Indian Cent

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Bedford, Aug 19, 2008.

  1. Bedford

    Bedford Lackey For Coin Junkies

    Well this coin was body bagged by PCGS for questionable color but,it obviously is high end none the less . So what would you grade it ?
    Do you think the color questionable ? Althogh I could not pick it up there are a few hues of rose & lite green tone on the reverse.
    I dont care what PCGS says this is my fovorite coin for this week !
     

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  3. Prethen

    Prethen Senior Member

    Au55 - looks like a lot of luster break in the fields.

    Color (if the photos are true) does look a bit orangish. Perhaps one of the fellow forum members could point out what type of chemical cleaning might do that.
     
  4. tdec1000

    tdec1000 Coin Rich, Money Poor :D

    Who cares what PCGS says about that coin. That is one coin that has awesome eye appeal that anyone would love to own. Tom
     
  5. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    I'm probably sticking my neck out but I don't see any wear on this coin. MS60 (but I want to say 63...great looker).
     
  6. ryanbrooks

    ryanbrooks Active Member

    Beautiful! Either AU-55 or MS-60 (All diamonds are not viewable) :D
     
  7. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Either weak strike unc, or AU-55.

    What is that above the ON (of ONE) on the reverse?
     
  8. mralexanderb

    mralexanderb Coin Collector

    I can't make out the diamonds so I'll say XF 40. If the diamonds are present and clear I'll say AU55. It may be the photo but I don't see the problem with the color.

    It's a keeper.

    Bruce
     
  9. Bedford

    Bedford Lackey For Coin Junkies

    Here are all the diamonds-
     

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  10. Phoenix21

    Phoenix21 Well-Known Member

    Looked at it again, I think I see slight wear on the reverse, so I'll say AU-55, Au-58ish? My opinion doesn't really matter that much, lol, but still, that's a beautiful coin, ? color or not! :thumb:

    Phoenix :cool:
     
  11. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Really hard to tell from the pictures - I would say MS details and yes the color does look off to me(based off the pictures). Still a very nice coin.
     
  12. Harryj

    Harryj Supporter**

    Obverse-4 diamonds, full liberty. Reverse- The wreath and arrows are in great shape, lines on shield great shape. No rim nicks, Very minor scratches, very minor wear. Not sure if the denticles are a proof or business strike. Color is a little off, the coin may have been cleaned, the color is lighter around all the lettering and date on the obverse which may be an indication of a prior cleaning. Send it to ANACS. Sweet 1877. I like it. MS range.
     
  13. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    Although the coin is AU, IF it were to slab, I would guess 63RB as a market grade. That is worth a retry at least one more time, they do slip thru, but only you can see the color, all we can see is pics. It is a very nice coin.

    For the $30+, I resend.
     
  14. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    I say the coin is AU53/55 somewhere in there. In the pictures as they are I see the slightest amount of wear on the highpoints, otherwise phenominal coin
     
  15. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    I always thought genuine 1877 Indian cents came with weakly struck backs , could this one be a fake ?
    rzage
     
  16. Coinfreak~24

    Coinfreak~24 Active Member

  17. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    MS details, recolored, net XF.

    The pictures don't show me if there is luster imparement or toning in the fields, and I can't see rub but assume it must be there given the lack of cartwheel on the coin. So I was torn between AU and MS details.
     
  18. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    It does have some of the characteristics of weak strike - look at the center of the shield lines towards upper right corner. I think it is genuine - not sure what was done to the coin.
     
  19. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Always thought the weakness was in the N of one and the EN cent , I mean really weak , could be wrong though .
    rzage:):hatch::hammer:
     
  20. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Well I have not heard about that specifically. And all I know about the N is that the business strike coins have a shallow N in ONE, proofs a bold N. It seems to me that out of all the ones I looked at One Cent seemed to be the best struck area, with usually softness in the shield and some areas around the wreath and bow. On the obverse it was the feather details and ribbon.
     
  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Let me ask you Jason, does the color of the coin match that in the pics ? If so, I'd agree with PCGS on that count. As for grade, AU details I'd say.
     
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