Mark Antony Legionary Denarius LEG XX

The legionary Denar in first post is imho most likely fake, obverse die match to fake recently withdrawn by Numismatik Naumann. They seem to be pressed transfer die fakes, soft details and no metal flow and some have too strong edge cracks. PS: There exist many die links between this fakes.
Yours is leg XX and an obverse die match to a leg XIV

Withdrawn = zurückgezogen

https://www.biddr.ch/auctions/numismatiknaumann/browse?a=953&l=1013599

And I think that you can find many at fake reports, many of these have been sold by fake sellers and Bulgarian fake sellers in the past.

 

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Wow, I never saw that coming. I thought it was an excellent example. Are you certain @Lolli? I hate to see that four letter "F" word. BTW here is my example of Leg XIV which doesn't look anything like the obverse above:

 

I agree with Bing, didn't see that coming. I would like to know what Frank Robinson thinks. He's very respected but granted he's only human.

 

This post has bothered me all day, so I've been looking at the fake reporting at FAC and on Forgery Network. Yes, there are a lot of Leg XX coins listed; however, I do not see one that looks to be an exact match to the OP coin. Maybe I'm just fooling myself, but the OP coin looks authentic to me. before you decide this is a fake @dadams, I would suggest sending it in to an expert for opinion. Or ask someone like @Barry Murphy or @Andrew McCabe for an opinion based on the image. Both have great collections of MA denarii.

 

This is indeed certainly out of left field.

I remember undertaking the search for this coin and passed on many as my main fear was buying a fake. I did do a fair amount of due diligence and noticed nothing untoward with this particular coin. I was reassured by purchasing from Frank and I have no doubt he’d make it right if it turns out nefarious. He is a member here: @fsrcoin

I’ve been happy with the coin and would appreciate further insight from those highly respected members @Bing mentioned.

 

This is the first I've seen this thread. I may not be a "highly respected" member, but I had concerns with the OP coin before I saw Lolli's post. The die match obverse that Lolli identified is part of a large series of Antony legionary fakes. Many are easily spotted; some are more deceptive and nefariously disguised with toning, wear etc. I suspect others familiar with these fakes will weigh-in also.

 

@Carausius I respect you and all the members here and will take all comments into consideration. It is what it is however it turns out and whichever way that may be I’ll be fine with it. I’d rather know than not.

 

Seems exact:

 

Yes, it's clearly the same die. Generally, a die match does not mean a coin is fake, as genuine coins struck from the same dies (or a genuine coin and a transfer die fake transfered from a coin with the same die) will, of course, match. The problem here is that I believe this series of fakes is struck or pressed from modern dies.

 

@dadams - I'm sorry, but your coin is not authentic. The example @Lolli provided is more fake looking than yours, but they are related.

Please return the coin for a refund. Frank is a reputable dealer from what I know so don't be too hard on him. These fakes have been making their rounds and he's not the first to be stung and neither are you.

 

Don't just look for LEG XX, look for obverse die matches as well.

 

I have to admit that @Lolli and @Carthago are correct in their assessment, but I'm still having a hard time getting my head around this. I would have placed a substantial bet that the OP coin was authentic. I guess I need more education. This also reminds me why I purchase coins from respected dealers like @fsrcoin, and from other dealers with which I have had successful, and fulfilling, transactions.

 

With a respected dealer you got a guarantee, anyway all coins dealer and famous auction house can miss a fake coins, humans are not perfect.

Some week ago talking a numismatic expert member of expertise litigation committees he say to me that the error rate is at leat of 1 fake coins per 1000 coins offered by famous auction house.

And the rate for tooled one not des described as tooled is much higher so be careful too of tooled ones in large auction.

The reason is that the staff have no time to detect all default when preparing a big auction and also that when a regular big consigner give them to sale many coins even if they detect some problems in one or two coins they prefer sometimes not to refused the coins.

According to him he got more and more litigation on high end coins some over 30 000 usd by famous name in past famous collection.

 

Unfortunately, the original posted LEG XX in this thread is a forgery.

Barry Murphy

 

Thank you all. Return initiated.

 

Wow. This thread was an interesting read. I love these legionary coins and have bid on a couple (much) lower grade examples but never won. Shame that the OP coin is a fake but kudos to everyone who helped out. And nice coins to all those who posted.

 

OP was 2018!

 

Holy Zombie Thread Batman!

 

Yes, almost 2 years ago!! And the right honorable Frank S Robinson ( @fsrcoin ) already told me to send it back!

 

ONE AWESOME HUMAN BEING!!!