Guess the grade 1826 Capped Bust Half

Point well said.

But how about the other approach... why penalize a splendid, lustrous coin due to a characteristic as minted... the moment it left the die ?

Some consider die cracks interesting collectable varieties.

 

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Google eyed here, WOW

I'll guess full gem

 

Now that could make for an interesting thread.....

Definitely a way of looking at it from a seldom heard perspective.

GD... can you explain the definitions of varieties and errors. It seems as though if you are correct I have been swimming around with my belly towards the sun all this time.

Just another sad fish in the sea.....

 

In general . . .

A variety is a "mistake" that occurs somewhere in the design process or die preparation process. Every coin made from those dies will have the same "mistake", e.g., '55 DDO and '37-D 3-Legged Buffalo.

An error is a mistake that occurs during the actual coining process, e.g., die cracks, broken dies, wrong planchet, off-center strike, double strike, etc. No two coins error coins will be the same.

 

I would argue that with die cracks and chips it is possible and indeed probable that you could have two coins that are the same. That would be the whole reason why they are attributable with a die state (in the case of a bust half).

~Droid

 

You won't get an argument from me. I understand that two coins struck back to back may appear to be identical as far as the die crack goes but as more coins are struck and the crack grows these coins will differ from those struck earlier. If you get down to a microscopic level one could argue that no two coins have identical die cracks because the crack grows (if ever so slightly) with each coin struck.

To be honest, I have a hard time calling a coin with a die crack an error coin. Like clash marks, I think of die cracks as interesting characteristics of a coin. Some people like them; some don't.

 

Marking down a bust half for a die crack seems to me even over the top for ANA standards -- and just what I'd expect from 'ya. Go get 'em GDJMSP!

In all seriousness, I could understand that perspective for coins that aren't frequently found in this condition, but it seems rather arbitrary to not give anything higher than a 64 for a coin with a die crack. Perhaps for a series where this phenomenon wasn't as frequent, but not bust halves -- not knowing the series well, I'd guess you've probably limited half of the extant population by making such a statement.

That said, die cracks should be factored into the final grade (and value) of a coin, but I don't believe in such an arbitrary and grade-limiting way.

Just thinking out loud and respectfully submitted....Mike

 

Well, you guys did really good ! But I expected that from our group of numismatists on the site -
MS65 she is -

 

:hail:

 

No problem, GDJMSP. I did understand that it was your opinion -- and you are certainly entitled to it, no matter how arbitrary and mistaken you are (I'm joking, of course).

 

You better watch it...just for that he will post an old Large Cent that normally wouldn't go over AG

Speedy

 

Good one Speedy. But does he have one in that low a grade? And chain cents don't count.

 

Dang....if Chain Cents don't count then Mike would be hard put to find one in his collecting

Speedy

 

He got me back -- said my gold coin was dipped. The turkey.