Name that doubling

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by National dealer, Mar 2, 2004.

  1. National dealer

    National dealer New Member

    Okay error fans, lets see who can name this type of doubling.

    This is the reverse of a Jefferson Nickel.

    Details of strong doubling of the letters in America.

    Is it true doubling, mechanical doubling, hub doubling, or something else all together.

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  3. National dealer

    National dealer New Member

    Extra hints.

    The lettering that has doubling is as follows.

    All of OF
    All of America
    UM in Unum
    ES in States
    LO in Monticello
    TS in Cents
     
  4. jody526

    jody526 New Member

    Let's give the newer error fans some referance material, to help them decide which type of doubling this is.

    LINK

    LINK#2
     
  5. National dealer

    National dealer New Member

    Fantastic links sir.

    So what is your guess on the doubling?
     
  6. craton

    craton New Member

    I'll bite .......
    To me it looks like Die Deterioration or maybe Abrasion doubling.
    What says you?
    Jason Craton
     
  7. National dealer

    National dealer New Member

    Not a bad guess, but no.

    Here are two new pics showing other details.
     

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  8. jody526

    jody526 New Member

    Here's some more brain food on the subject:

    LINK#3
     
  9. craton

    craton New Member


    I don't know. You have me stumped. I'd still guess Die Deterioration ... especially when looking at the first image in your second post. I'll be stumped until you give up the answer I guess ;)
    Jason Craton
     
  10. National dealer

    National dealer New Member

    Now let me add this ultimate hint.

    The coin in question is a 1999-P
     
  11. jody526

    jody526 New Member

    Can we get a picture of the date and mintmark?
     
  12. National dealer

    National dealer New Member

    Absolutely.

    Here is Obverse date and mintmark.

    Also full view of America
     

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  13. jody526

    jody526 New Member

    Good pictures. I just wanted to confirm that it was not die deterioration damage.
    That leaves us with mechanical doubling, correct?
     
  14. craton

    craton New Member

    I wouldn't agree with Mechanical Doubling. I'm still sticking with deterioration until I hear otherwise ;)
    With MDD, wouldn't there be flat shelf like doubling only in one direction? Some of these letters appear to have doubling on three sides.
    Jason Craton
     
  15. National dealer

    National dealer New Member

    Good job sir.

    It is indeed mechanic doubling as confirmed by Anacs. Though not certified. (not worth the price) Not quite a "real" error, yet still an interesting occurrence. This coin was pulled out of change by a staff member, and the doubling is easily viewed by the naked eye.
     
  16. National dealer

    National dealer New Member

    Jason points out good facts. All the shadows are flat. Only two letters have the effect of shadowing the entire letter. This is probably do to some form of die wear. The coin has seen a lot of circulation. If you look at the second photo in the first post, and the second photo in the second post, you will see the flat shelf appearence going in a single direction. My initial guess upon this coin was die wear doubling, but not enough to confirm it. The coin was examined this past December at the Baltimore coin and currency convention by Anacs.
     
  17. jody526

    jody526 New Member

    Jason,
    I can only see doubling in one direction. Of course my eyes aren't nearly as good as they used to be. (lol)
    I would tend to believe that DDD would be in all directions, and most prevelant nearest to the rim.
    Here is a link about your position:

    LINK#4
     
  18. craton

    craton New Member

    I have thought about this coin for some time now. I'm still pretty darn confident that this coin exhibits die deterioration doubling. I'd like to say that if you were to send the coin to an agreable third party and if I was wrong, I'd EAT the coin ..... I'm sitting here looking at a nickel though and I don't think I could swallow it ;)
    Jason Craton
     
  19. National dealer

    National dealer New Member

    Like I stated earlier, I had this coin examined by Anacs at the Baltimore coin and currency convention Dec 5th, 2003. I did not however have it put into a holder because the coin is definately not worth the price of the plastic.
     
  20. jtwax

    jtwax Senior Member

    101% DDD. Period.
     
  21. craton

    craton New Member


    Thank you J. !!
    Like I said, I have thought about this coin a lot and I was pretty confident in what it was. I contacted Mike Diamond and shared images with him for his opinion and he said it was obvious Die Deterioration Doubling. I knew that this might cause a stink so I contacted Ken Potter and shared the images with him and here is what he had to say:

    "I see no positive signs of strike doubling but would not preclude the fact that some may be present. However, what predominates here is what I call die deterioration doubling and some others call die fatigue or abrasion doubling. I hope that helps!
    Ken Potter"

    He also suggested some of you might want to check out his Educational Image Gallery web article on the subject.

    Thanks much,
    Jason Craton
     
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