Genuine ??

Discussion in 'Paper Money' started by SINED, Jul 19, 2008.

  1. Daggarjon

    Daggarjon Supporter**

    so the F7305677L is the L/* error. cant call it a star note, becuase its not from the star block. Its from the F-L, and has the *error from the gadget used to print the serials.

    You have alot from the F-L block. Do you specificaly look for them, got them as a gift or from a friend/relative? Of the 14 1988A's i got, a few were from circulation, most were bought in online auctions. Of all the ones i have, none were duplicates or even from the same blocks lol and here you have 8 from the same block and even the same run!
     
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  3. shortysnana

    shortysnana Junior Member

    they were in a collection of things that my grandma passed on to me, they were in a plastic sleeve with a note that said "these dollars are odd dollars because they have a tiny number 1 or 2 next to IN GOD WE TRUST" so i started to look up why they were odd and found out they were web notes so now i am looking up some of the other notes too. I feel like its a treasure hunt of sorts:)
     
  4. Daggarjon

    Daggarjon Supporter**

    absolutely!!! you can share the connection with your passed grandparent, AND dive ever so deeper into web-notes and then paper money and then coins and then world coins and world paper ... once your hooked... your HOOKED :D
     
  5. shortysnana

    shortysnana Junior Member

    you are so right, thionk i am already hooked, also wonder what the heck made my grandma look so closely and be so observant, she loved money and was one smart lady! wish i could talk to her now and say "what the heck ever made you save these and where did you get them":) Do i have to wait for the book to get the top 50 rare notes or is there a lookup online for them?
     
  6. Daggarjon

    Daggarjon Supporter**

    Well, the top 50 list is not somethign i have 'seen' but only refferenced to. It could be in some books, but i dont have any 'web note' books.

    here is a site i use alot. Its got a nice tool at the top left of the page, click on 1988 and any of the front plate/back plate combos, and it will direct you to a page. This page is for the 1988, block AE, run 5, front plate 1 back plate 2. In the box of info below the image, it gives some special characteristis of the note. The last sentance mentions that this note is on the top 50 rarest web notes.

    I am not affiliated with that site, so i do not have a complete list of all 50. What i do have in my excell database, is the line about the last, where it says there are only 1 to 5 notes known to exist. I think, but am not positive, that all the notes where they list, either unique, 1-5, 6-10, or 11-20 as notes known to exist - i think make up the top 50 web notes. Because i dont have a publicized list, i cant be sure.

    If you would like, i could probably fish the ones i have in excell, and post them here :)
     
  7. Daggarjon

    Daggarjon Supporter**

    i did find this info when looking at the site i posted above...

    Rarity Factor (1-5) :

    The rarity scale has been constructed with a 1-5 rating system.

    A rarity rating of 5 describes the most commonly found note and a number 1 rating describes a note which is the most scarce.

    Each Web Note's rarity number is based on 4 factors:

    1) Total number of notes initially produced by the BEP.

    2) Total number of notes known to exist based on Doug Murray's top 50 Rarest Web Note List.

    3) Market Price of a specific note based on activity/interest of various sources consisting of Ebay, other popular online auctions, and off-line paper money auctions such as Heritage, CAA, etc...

    4) Directly obtained collector input and reports

    Look at number 2. I have not seen it, but it looks like someone has put together and possibly published a list of the top 50. A google search for his name might turn up an official list.
     
  8. shortysnana

    shortysnana Junior Member

    thanks for the info, looks like I do not have a top 50 rare one in the bunch
     
  9. Daggarjon

    Daggarjon Supporter**

    Dont know about that :D looking at that F-L/* error may just bump another of the top 50 off the list to make room for that note. It may have the potential to be 1 in 10,000 but for now... its the only one known :D
     
  10. lewminator

    lewminator Expert/Collector-US Paper

    doubtful!!

    This Note Was Posted On Collector's Universe, I Have Also Examined The Scans And Am Of The OPINION That It Is Not a Genuine BEP printed error. I Would Be Interested In Knowing Which Grading Company You Are Going With, I Know 2 Or 3 That Would Slab It Even If Not Genuine, Simply Due To Ignorance On Errors by a few of the "Grading Services". The Note Would Be From The F/l Run, Not The Star, Since The Star Run Did Not Go That High. Knowing That The Star Is The Suffix That Does Not Belong, Focus On The Star, Looks Like A Perfect Circle Around The Points Of The Star...... Very Suspicious........ Lets See If It Gets An "apparent" Slab Thrown On It
     
  11. shortysnana

    shortysnana Junior Member

    OUCH!....PCGS is the service that I was recommended to use. Since it is not photoshopped how would the star get there if not during printing? I would hope that PCGS or any other grading service would not say something is real if in fact it is not.I am no expert so I wouldnt know by looking at it if it were fake,thats why I thought sending it in would be the thing to do.3 other people that I have been told are experts examined the scans and they think it it is in fact genuine, guess I just have to wait and see but absolutely everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
     
  12. NOS

    NOS Former Coin Hoarder

    After seeing this post I took a good look at the scan and noticed the circle and I too became suspicious. The difference between myself and others is that I did not jump to conclusions but instead looked at some of my own star notes. All of the star notes from this era right up to the present $1 notes show this "Perfect Circle" which is much more noticeable on the left-side of the note than the right. The probable reason why this "Perfect Circle" shows is that the star is smaller than a regular block letter so the lettering stamp leaves a very faint impression, atleast that is how I interpret it. I believe that the error note presented on here is very real and very valuable.

    Here is a scan of a $1 1995 F-* along with a close-up, look closely and judge for yourself. I believe some people owe shortysnana an apology for implying that he photoshopped this most-likely genuine error note.
     

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  13. shortysnana

    shortysnana Junior Member

    no apologies needed

    Thanks for the positive post NOS but really no apologies are needed,everyone is entitled to to their own opinion, when it comes back that will be the proof everyone is looking for and cant say I blame them
     
  14. Aslanmia

    Aslanmia Active Member

    Do we have an update yet? Enquiring minds want to know! :)
     
  15. lettow

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  16. Aslanmia

    Aslanmia Active Member

    Outstanding!

    Congrats to the owner, and kudos to his father (grandfather?) who pulled it from circulation... it would have been a real shame if this note went the way of so many others.
     
  17. Daggarjon

    Daggarjon Supporter**

    yeah, i offered him $15 and i even said i would pay for the shipping too ... and, i have not heard back from him .. go figure :D
     
  18. shortysnana

    shortysnana Junior Member

    Just for the record I didnt realize everyone thought I was a man..LOL
     
  19. Daggarjon

    Daggarjon Supporter**

    :D for the record, i never thought either way until you told me your name :D
     
  20. SINED

    SINED XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

    Mismatched web press star / Graded Image

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  21. SINED

    SINED XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

    When I started this thread I knew it would recieve many replies. I'm glad it moved people to post an opinion and prompt varied thoughts on this unique ( for now ) bill. I am not qualified to verify such a note as this. I learned quite a bit from the many replies. Shortysnana found the proverbial diamond in rough, needle in a haystack or any other term you wish to use. Let's try this, It's real that's settled. What will the note fetch at auction, assuming it is auctioned? I honestly don't know. I'll toss out $7500.00 USD. That is just a stab in the dark.
     
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