In God We Trust (til when?)

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Suarez, Jan 26, 2020.

  1. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    It's easy to argue for a position you believe in. The test is to give a good argument for both sides.
     
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  3. EWC3

    EWC3 (mood: stubborn)

    Test of what though? Certainly one should welcome, carefully read, and then weigh all criticism. But I judge the above goes too far. Here is an old fashioned English view on this matter:

    Macbeth, (Act II, scene III)

    PORTER

    Here’s a knocking indeed! If a man were porter of hell-gate, he should have old turning the key.

    (A sound of knocking from offstage.)

    Knock, knock! Who’s there, in th' other devil’s name? Faith, here’s an equivocator that could swear in both the scales against either scale, who committed treason enough for God’s sake, yet could not equivocate to heaven. O, come in, equivocator.

    W. Shakespeare
     
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  4. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    The OP stated "...I'd be happy to argue the underdog position!". It appears he would argue for the removal of the motto IN GOD WE TRUST, and give a good argument. I was wondering if he could argue as effectively for keeping the motto. As an issue it's of little importance to me. I guess I should have directed this at the OP himself.
    (Love Shakespeare's work. Quotes for all occasions).
     
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  5. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I'm not a big fan of changing anything that is part of our history. I don't feel enough folks care to make the changes.
     
  6. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Best comment yet. It should not go unnoticed that American history seems to be “evolving”.
     
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  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Following along those lines, remember when I asked this ?

    That reason is, that even though I personally do not believe in god, I will still defend the motto being on our coins and all other uses/examples/references to god that already exist relating to govt entities. And I do so for the reasons I expressed in other posts, with the primary reason being that the Constitution guarantees freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. And, the right of each individual to choose for him/herself whether or not they wish to practice religion.

    Short and sweet, it's the Constitution I defend, not religion or the lack of it.
     
  8. Woodman60

    Woodman60 Mercury Dimes Franklin Halves

    I feel this thread was started for other reasons than just coin chat. (to stir things up) Its has become a political and religious platform.
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    You're welcome to think whatever ya want. Which is pretty much the point of the whole discussion ;)
     
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  10. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    That's an odd statement. After all, whatever policies you hate most, imposed by whatever administrators or legislators or judges you hate most, are also part of our history.
     
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  11. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Fair enough. Yes, laws do need to be changed at times.
    I don't see a need to change coins, remove religion from everything, take down statues, plaques, flags and pictures that don't harm anyone.
     
  12. harley bissell

    harley bissell Well-Known Member

    The people who put IGWT on our money were expressing the belief of the majority. It is still the wish of the majority. When it no longer is it will be removed or changed. Not one thing in the BILL OF RIGHTS gives people the right to not be offended or annoyed by other people doing legal acts. The people who attempt to criminalize legal acts are violating the precepts of the EX POST FACTO provisions. People who travel back into history and attempt to indict people based on current laws and social mores are doing the same thing.
     
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  13. Nathan401

    Nathan401 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Someone said that re-writing history is the first battlefield. I’ll leave the author’s name out.
     
  14. CoinCorgi

    CoinCorgi Tell your dog I said hi!

    “The first battlefield is to rewrite history… Take away the heritage of a people and they are easily persuaded.”

    Karl Marx

    Google for the context in which he was making these statements.
     
  15. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    So, bring back polio, slavery, eliminate the vote for women...
     
  16. CoinCorgi

    CoinCorgi Tell your dog I said hi!

    ...and sack those that are responsible.
     
  17. juris klavins

    juris klavins Well-Known Member

    A new, improved motto for our currency:

    in-god-we-trust-2015-04-07.jpg
     
  18. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Didn't see that coming
     
  19. Nathan401

    Nathan401 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    I’m not judging his sentiments, and I’m sure his hopes were pure. I think he believed they were, at least. Lots of terrible outcomes arrive disguised that way, imo.
     
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  20. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Well, those are a few of the things we had in the "Good Old Days". If you haven't seen "Midnight In Paris", it's a good watch.
     
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  21. sel w

    sel w Active Member

    some thing should be left a alone
     
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