Yeah, I think probably not also, but I personally really like this coin; prooflike reverse, less on the obverse, and the eagle looks like it's on fire.
Nice Morgan but NO star Edit: if the reverse is PL, it can technically qualify for the star. I can't see the PL qualities from the photo, so it's hard to judge.
I'm also at "Nice, but no star". I also think the star depends as much on the strength of the coffee drunk that morning by senor grader.
No Star. Not exceptional toning, or PL enough, or special that I can see. Also rather baggy (per normal at 63), but I don't think that comes into play. I do love me some old NGC fatty holders!
Too baggy doesn't come into play, but the other factors you mentioned do and would likely explain a lack of a star.
Summary: Rd. 1: 1955-S MS 64 1c (NO Star) --> Should it star? -->Yes: 2 vs No: 11 Rd. 2: 1885-O MS 65 $1 (NO Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 4 vs No: 3 Rd. 3: 1813 50c (NO Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 2 vs No: 9 Rd. 4: 1835 50c (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 1 vs No: 4 Rd. 5: 1821 50c (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 2 vs No: 4 Rd. 6: 1947-D 5c (NO Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 6 vs No: 2 Rd. 7: 1882-S $1 MS 63 (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 0 vs No: 8 Rd. 8: 1882-S $1 MS 67 (NO Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 2 vs No: 8 Rd. 9: Darth Morgan (NO Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 1 vs No: 5 Rd. 10: 1820 Cent (NO Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 2 vs No: 5 Rd. 11: Swiss Silver (NO Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 1 vs No: 4 Rd. 12: 1940 50c (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 4 vs No: 3 Rd. 13: Israel Lira (NO Star*^) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 4 vs No: 0 Rd. 14: 1937-D 5c (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:2 vs No: 0 Rd. 15: 1885 Morgan (No Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:0 vs No: 12 Rd. 16: 1958-D Franklin (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:0 vs No: 7 Rd. 17: 1958-D Franklin #2 (No Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:1 vs No: 6 Rd. 18: 1958-D Franklin #3 (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:5 vs No: 2 Rd. 19: 1881-S Morgan (No Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:4 vs No: 3 Rd. 20: 1884-O Morgan (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:5 vs No: 2 Rd. 21: 1874 PF Trade Dollar (No Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:1 vs No: 6 Rd. 22: 1964 Kennedy (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:1 vs No: 7 Rd. 23: 1958-D Franklin (No Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:6 vs No: 3 Rd. 24: San Diego Commem (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes:1 vs No: 5 Rd. 25: 1886 $1 (Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 7 vs No: 0 Rd. 26: 1887 $1 (No Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 0 vs No: 7 Rd. 27: 1880-S $1 (Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 4 vs No: 3 Rd. 28: 1963 PF 5c (No Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 5 vs No: 0 Rd. 29: 1968 PF 50c (No Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 1 vs No: 5 Rd. 30: 1880-S $1 (Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 0 vs No: 6 Rd. 31: 1880-S $1 (Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 2 vs No: 3 Rd. 32: 1886 $1 (No Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 2 vs No: 5 Rd. 33: 1882-S $1 (Star)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 4 vs No: 6 Rd. 34: 1887 $1 (Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 1 vs No: 6 Rd. 35: 1900 India Rupee (No Star) —> Should it star? —> Yes: 5 vs No: 3 Rd. 36: 1880-S $1 (Star)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 8 vs No: 0 Rd. 37: 1918 Lincoln 50c (Star)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 1 vs No: 8 Rd. 38: 1886 Morgan MS 65 (No Star)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 2 vs No: 7 Rd. 39: 1884-O Morgan MS 65 (Star)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 1 vs No: 8 Rd. 40: Ireland 1/2D PR 63 (PCGS coin)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 2 vs No: 5 Rd. 41: 1949 Swiss Medal MS 65 (No Star)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 5 vs No: 3 Rd. 42: 1830 AU 50 50c (PCGS coin)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 3 vs No: 2 Rd. 43: 1881-S Morgan (No star)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 5 vs No: 4 Rd. 44: 1904-O Morgan (No star*^)—> Should it star? —> Yes: 0 vs No: 6 Totals: No Star currently on holder, but deserves it: 9 No Star currently on holder and doesn't deserve it: 14 Star currently on holder and deserves it: 7 Star currently on holder, but doesn't deserve it: 12 PCGS holder, but deserves it upon crossover: 1 PCGS holder and doesn't deserve it upon crossover: 1 ------ Non-toned/PL category: ~ 1871 5c (Star) —>Should it star? —> Yes: 5 vs No: 1 ------ *^ = signifies a coin that was most likely graded before the star designation was used for its respective series
Nope. Nope. nope. nope... The spots and spottiness and randomness and splotchiness..... just nope. I'm not even convinced that is naturally toned, not to mention star worthy. I find that distinctly unattractive, and I and also think there is a very high chance it is questionably/artificially toned.
I find it interesting but would say NO STAR The spots are distracting and it does look like someone poured something on it (chemicals and/or heat applied). I would also say it is QC but wouldn't be surprised if it did straight grade.
I knew this one would make for some good discussion. Two call outs so far for AT. It did straight grade for the record.
I'm not super surprised as I've seen some of these get by (although it was more common with PCGS in the last years compared to NGC). I will say that I don't find it unattractive. I did initially call it interesting and stick by that. I wouldn't mind owning it, but I wouldn't want to pay much of a toning premium for it (meaning I'd never win it in an auction setting).
From your posts I can tell you know much more than I do about Numismatics. I'm just curious where did you get the info about the "three basic categories for a star per NGC". I looked on NGC's website and found this: https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/7501/learn-grading-plus-and-star/ I'
@thomas mozzillo you can find more information on the star designation here: https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-grading/grading-scale/ As for the 1964 Kennedy, my answer is no star. The splotches and irregular patterns are distracting. You can also count me in the AT camp. I’m a bit surprised it received a straight grade.