First ancient.

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  1. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    Maximianus 286-310 A.D.

    Maximianus, not to be confused with 2nd century emperor Marcus Valerius Maximianus, was born in about 250 A.D. His reign is noteworthy for the fact that he ruled during three different intervals. From 286 to 305 A.D., under Diocletian, he was

    Caesar and then Augustus in the east. From 306 to 308 A.D. he was self-proclaimed Augustus. And in 310 A.D. again declared himself Augustus. The first two of these three reigns ended in his forced abdication. The third ended with his suicide in 310 A.D., at the command of Constantine the Great.

    Reverse reads:




    CONCORDIA MILITVM

    "To the unity of the army."

    Jupiter standing left, holding sceptre, presenting Victory on globe to emperor, standing right.
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    I decided to take a stab at an ancient. I'm somewhat familiar with more modern coins. I know very little about ancients. I'm aware that the Romans are the most common and that I only paid $8 for it reflects that. I'm wondering if the description is accurate and any other opinions anyone might have about this piece. Thx.
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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Looks good!

    Found this on wildwinds.com and it looks to be a match for you.
    Maximianus
    AE
    Post-Reform Radiate Fraction
    295-299 AD
    Obverse: IMP C MA MAXIMIANVS PF AVG, radiate draped bust right
    Reverse: CONCORDIA MILITVM, emperor standing right receiving Victory on globe from Jupiter, K Epsilon in lower centre.
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  4. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    Thx FF!
     
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  5. Nicholas Molinari

    Nicholas Molinari Well-Known Member

    Nice one! It has a lot of character.
     
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  6. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    From a beginner, I admire the victory on globe, it is such a strong statement. I wonder if the emperor was worthy of this image. I would think such an achievement would yield a better reward than suicide.
     
  7. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Is anyone going to ask about a second century Maximianus?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Valerius_Maximianus
    The article says it is not know when he died but it must have been before 193 or he might have gone up against Septimius, Pescennius and Clodius in the mess that followed Pertinax's death. There is an error in the list of legions given in the sidebar of the above linked page. Can anyone find it?
     
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  8. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    Legio VI is absent?
     
  9. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Legion III Augusta was located in Africa. The Legion III intended here was LEG III Italica. If you look at the Wikipedia page on III Italica, you will see correct mention of the support by this legion. To make matters more confusing, Legion III Augusta was honored on coins of Alexandria but these were issued later than the cutoff for getting an honor from the Rome series. All of the legions listed for Maximianus were early supporters of Septimius and had Rome mint coins issued in their honor. Below is a coin of each.

    LEG III ITAL from Rome 193 AD
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    LEG III IT AVG from Alexandria (194?) Were they confused by their being two legions with the same number???
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  10. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Welcome to the fun side!
    My brother, whom sadly hasn't yet caught the ancient bug, has every penny from like, ever. So I'll have to ask him if he has your 1909 Avatar.
    Any hoob, here's a pretty fun chocolate patina'd, w/powered sugar coin of the poor SOGs who had to go up against Constantine the maniac!
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    Maximianus Herculius
    AD286-305.Cyzicus AntoninianusÆ 21mm., ,68g. IMP C MA MAXIMIANVS AVG, radiate and draped bust right / CONCORDIA MILITVM, the Emperor, laureate and in military attire, standing right, holding transverse sceptre in left hand, receiving Victoria with wreath from Jupiter, nude but for cloak, standing left, holding long sceptre in left hand, in centre field, Δ and in exergue, XXI dot. good very fine C 53; RIC 606.
     
  11. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    I think I see. Legion III Augusta makes no reference to 2nd century emperor Marcus Valerius. Legion III Augusta should have been Legio III Italica and the affiliation to Adiutrix of which Marcus Valerius Maximianus has attested service? Legion III Augusta coins were commemorated by Alexandria before Rome said no?

    Wiki seems to be proving more inaccurate than I thought. Last time I suggested an edit I got locked out???
     
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  12. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    LOL
     
  13. cwart

    cwart Senior Member

    Welcome to the darkside.... ;)
     
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  14. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    The opposite. When Alexandria fell into the control of Septimius they issued the type used at Rome the year before but changed ti legend to honor the local legion III which was Augusta. I assume they saw a Rome mint LEG III ITAL coin but did not understand why they should have dropped the IT from the legend. I have no good idea how much the people there would have known about the names and locations of other legions besides the one stationed nearby. I also wonder if Septimius ever knew or had anything to say about the issuing of coin types at Alexandria.
     
  15. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

    Welcome! A good first ancient. I believe Maximian was the Western Augustus, with Diocletian and Galerius ruling in the East. I don’t think Maximian was quite on board with Diocletian’s “Let’s all retire at the same time” plan.

    He clearly enjoyed access to the executive washroom as Augustus. It was tough to give up.
     
  16. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Welcome and nice example!
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    MAXIMIANUS
    Antoninianus
    OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR VAL MAXIMIANVS P F AVG, radiate cuirassed bust right
    REVERSE: IOV ET HERCV CONSER AVGG, Jupiter standing right holding sceptre & orb facing Hercules standing left holding Victory & club, crescent S in lower centre, XXI dot in ex.
    Struck at Antioch 286-95 AD
    4.3g, 22mm
    RIC 622 crescent S
     
  17. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    Sorry if this this is a nube question but, why exactly should they have dropped IT from the legend?
     
  18. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Type: Follis, 26 mm 7.9 grams, A.D. 307

    Obverse: Maximian Herculis, laureate and cuirassed bust facing right
    DN MAXIMIANO PF AVG

    Reverse: Genius standing left, modius on head, loins draped, chamlys over left shoulder, right hand holding patera, left hand holding cornucopiae
    GENIO POP ROM

    Mintmark: PLN (Londinium)

    Reference: RIC VI London 85

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    20mm, 8.0 grams

    Obverse: AK M OVA MAEIMIANOC CEB
    Laureate, draped bust right

    Reverse: Eagle standing left, head right with wreath in its beak; star in left field, L-Delta

    Date: Year 4 = A.D. 289-290

    Reference: Milne 4921, Emmet 4108

    Alexandria tet:

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    Last edited: Feb 2, 2020
  19. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper


    Sweet Maximian. That's a nice first coin.

    Here's my Maximian.

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    Last edited: Feb 2, 2020
  20. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    Madimian?
     
  21. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Cell phone typo
     
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