US Mint and the Big Guy

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by jeankay, Jul 26, 2008.

  1. jeankay

    jeankay Coin Hoarder

    Hi you nice CT folks. :)

    Now don't get all over me for not being able to quote the actual article I read because I don't think it is that important to statements.... being...

    I read the US Mint satisfies the BIG investors in the first runs of freshly minted coins... specifically the precious metal coins.
    The article went on to say the Mint was going to cut back on the BIG investors orders because of the scarcity and cost of silver and gold, etc.

    Okay, with that said... the BIG investors, whom the Mint did not identify,
    including overseas investors, order 100,000 or more, as many as 300,000 coins or sets.

    This makes me think that we are getting ripped off, by the mint!
    Do you think we little guys are getting our fair share of freshly minted coins? Are we getting the left-overs? Is this why the coins become 'sold-out' and the BIG investors who are out to make a big buck do not care about the little guy and whether or not we can complete our sets?

    Yes I am aware the BIG guys do this for a living and a way to beat off inflation a fraction of a cent at a time. That, in itself, is one reason why I find it totally unfair the Mint should sell our precious metals to the lowest bidders.

    Why can't the mint sell first to the individual collectors, even putting a limit on how many coins or sets they can order, and then after a certain period of time sell to the BIG investors?

    I am not including the small coin dealers who buy a lot of sets or coins to resell later because I do not believe most of them can afford to shell out the money for such BIG orders.

    What are your thoughts about this?

    jeankay
     
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  3. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    that MIGHT be true for bullion coins but anything we order the mint doesnt fall into that category :)
     
  4. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    The Mint is selling to the lowest bidders? I find that hard to believe. Can you point me to something that supports that?
     
  5. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    I've often felt the same way as you Jeankay.....bulk purchasers get preferential treatment. It would be nice for the little guy to get first dibs but i doubt this will ever happen. Best you can hope for from the mint is to get lucky, as evidenced from all the folks on this forum who send their purchases back to the mint for replacement because of spots, scratches, cat hairs and spiders.
     
  6. ziggy9

    ziggy9 *NEC SPERNO NEC TIMEO*

    part of why they are probably quick to sell to the bulk dealers is that they don't return them for "spots, scratches, cat hairs and spiders." the bulk buyers are buying bullion because its bullion and don't expect perfection.
     
  7. jaceravone

    jaceravone Member

    I would have to agree with Spock. This may have been true a few years ago, but since then, the mint has instituted purchase limits on limited mintage coins. Remember a few years ago back in 2001 when the Buffalo silver dollar came out? Within hours (I believe) these were sold out. I have been buying from the mint since 1986 and couldn't land one of these. So I complained, along with hundreds, maybe thousands of other customers. Shortly thereafter, the mint insitituted a 15 per customer limit on purchases and since the First spouse series came out in 07, it was lowered down to 5. I remember this particularly well, because I wanted to collect the fs series coins and had flashbacks to 2001.

    As for bullion coinage with no mintage limit, I would expect that Jean's recount of the article would be true.
     
  8. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    U.S. mint is all about the big guy. The little guy and his $20 just won't cut it.
     
  9. Peter T Davis

    Peter T Davis Hammer at the Ready Moderator

    I have a few thoughts....

    1. The company that is ordering 300,000 at a time from the mint doesn't really care if they're getting the best quality coin, whether getting the "first run" or not isn't likely something they concern themselves with.

    2. It's a real shame that the mint is so backwards that they won't join in the conversation here and tell us their side of the story.

    3. Collect something more interesting like ancient Greek coins or something, modern mint releases, especially bullion coins, are so boring!

    :)
     
  10. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Peter; Could it be that someone from the mint would actually lurk here? Oh please.....if only.....
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    You would be surprised who reads these posts ;)
     
  12. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Oh Oh...big brother is watching.
     
  13. peterplanchet

    peterplanchet New Member

    It's much easier for the mint to sell 100,000 bullion coins to a single buyer than to find 100,000 buyers for one coin each. As a result, the bulk buyers get the best price. We can buy from them at a marked up price.

    -- Peter Planchet
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I've yet to ever see or hear of any evidence that bulk buyers get a price discount. Have you ? Or are you just making assumptions ?
     
  15. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    GD....Is it not true that the select few that are able to buy bullion in bulk from the mint get better price consideration than the regular man (women) on the street?
     
  16. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

  17. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    ahhhh facts !!! Gotta love it !!
     
  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yes facts, but facts about oranges when we are talking about facts about apples.

    The general public cannot buy regular issue business strike bullion coins from the US MInt. They are only sold to those authorized dealers - all 14 of them.

    Now somebody show me where the person who purchases a 1,000 or 10,000 items from the US Mint gets a cheaper price on a item than the person who buys 1.
     
  19. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    OOOOWWWWWW....ya got me....nice shootin' GD.
     
  20. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    Dang GD just delivered another smackdown

    OUCH
     
  21. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    The Master....
     
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