Guess the Grade on this Morgan

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Well this is not my coin......

It is actually a coin from DGS's visual pop report. They gave it a grade of MS 67. It is the highest graded Morgan they have graded.

I have said in the past their visual pop report would be their downfall if they were bad graders.

Just so everyone doesn't think I'm a DGS nut... I posted these pictures.

Primarily for educational purposes though.

 

I would say based on the hit on the cheek and the what looks like a hit over in the 3:00 spot. I have to say no more than a 64. Wouldn't surprise me to see a 65 though.

 

I had a whole bunch of 64 Morgans graded by NGC that could never come close to touching this coin.

I think it is an easy 65 in any holder, but looking at the pictures 67 may be stretching it.

 

Really nice. I'll go 65.

 

I don't think that hit on the cheek is large, and it doesn't seem to be distracting to me either.

The ANA standards say for a 67 that it can have 3-4 minuscule contact marks, and 1-2 may be in prime focal areas. MS 67 also allows for hairlines but they can only be seen with magnification.

For a 65 it must be without major distracting marks in prime focal areas.

So you must consider that mark on the cheek to be major and distracting?

 

66.

 

When they (ANA) says minuscule, it must mean to the naked eye, because they differentiate between hairlines that are visible to the naked eye, and ones that are not. My question is, what do the mean by minuscule? Is it something you can see?

If so for MS 66 it says a few minuscule contact marks can be in prime focal areas.

I guess I just assumed that large and distracting (like marks I have seen on 64's), seem to obvious indentations to them. The way I would describe those marks are like tiny gouges. Sometimes they also appear as what I would describe as looking like ball point pen stabs. To me marks like that are large and distracting especially when on a cheeck, close to an eye, or on the nose.

Honestly though, I would like to know what you think is meant by major distracting, or large distracting, as this would help me better to understand what I should be looking for.

 

I would bet a small change in lighting could make that hit go away from the image.:smile I'm still at 65. Nice coin.

 

Like I said, isn't my coin... This was actually a coin graded by DGS. I wanted to see what people thought about it.

By the way John Figenbaum just posted to another thread... would love to get his thoughts on this coin.

 

64 with the mark 65 without

 

He claims the coin came out of a MS67 NGC slab. Maybe there is something to do with the picture? Who knows.

It did not look like a 67 to me which is why I posted it in the first place.

The reverse looks to be almost flawless, but as JF says there is alot of "chatter" as he put it. I am assuming he is talking about the obverse.

Anyways... It was great to get everyone's opinions... thank you much.

 

Holy Moley, MS-67 -- :high5::thumb::hug:Kiss