I have been watching close last few days. Yep, the Russians go way beyond belt. I have seen the Mexican, Netherlands, Austrian, French and German gold go at or slightly above melt, even with the drop of $30+/- this week. We do have an Ebay 10% off coupon good up to $100, so an ounce or so of gold might be in the works rather than a savings deposit this month.....I'll keep you posted.
So the answer is, coin dealers, forget about the coin auctions. Coin dealers are where I can expect to get these at just over melt. Took a little doing. Thanks. One more question. I heard non-US gold coins, generally, don't have "numismatic premiums." That's not to say there aren't exceptions. But I still don't understand why.
TRY getting gold from BRIC countries without premiums and you will be disappointed very badly. Thats statement is a myth. US has the most organized and mature market in the world which is a sophisticated way of saying that you pay more for something that is less rare all the time because of heavy demand
Tell you the truth, I think the answer is, the dealers in the US don't know how to value these. That's why you can get them, generally, at melt+margin.
You have to be a bit more specific than that. There are still auctions where you can get these coins for a fair price - just not on ebay and similar sites. This is not true at all. There are far, far more world gold coins that have numismatic value than there are those that do not. The only world gold coins that do not have much if any numismatic value are those that are considered to be bullion coins. And if you remove the modern issues from the equation, there aren't even very many of those. The Nicholas II gold 5 roubles is considered to be a bullion coin simply because there are so very many of them and they are readily available. To a lesser extent this also true of the 10 roubles of the time. I think what you are asking about is why it is that world gold coinage rarely equates with US coinage in value. A world gold piece can have a fraction of the mintage of a US coin of a similar age, the world gold coin can be 10 times as scarce, rare even, and yet still cost a fraction of what a US gold coin might. The reason for this the same as why US gold coinage does cost so much - supply and demand. It's just that simple. There are far fewer people who collect world gold than there are who collect US gold. A prime example would be my all time favorite - the 1364 chevalier d'or that I have posted so many times. That coin had an original mintage of just over 82,000. How many do you suppose still survive today ? Now how many still survive today that are in MS condition ? And my coin, was the finest known in existence - add that to it. Now what do you suppose I paid for that coin ? What would you pay for it ? What would a US gold coin of similar rarity cost ? I'll bet ya the US gold coin would be 6 figures minimum. For my coin, I paid $4000. Now you do the math. Which type of coins would you rather collect ?
please point me to some i am dying to meet them. i think those guys are fleecing me (trying to) they see something from BRIC it goes up by multiples of Krause and then they see me so the price goes higher as my friend says "its rediculous"
Brazil Russia India China anything from these countries stamps, coins any other collectible have gone through the roof over the last 2 years oh my 2 mohur coin :sigh: i routinely have to follow the indian stock market and the exchange rate when i am buying indian coins you guys can laugh about it but thats the way i can stay ahead of the competetion who know nothing about coins and will spend upto $300 on a polished indian rupee that was being sold for 40 bucks in gem bu before there were some other collectibles too that have become downright silly just look at what chris from NE is doing GD and you will get a small but ugly glimpse of that coin market
this is great advice. some say ebay is the best way to see the true market value of an item based on demand but even if it is why buy it from ebay if it can be had elsewhere for less. a good investment strategy might be to find coins that are overpriced on ebay... buy elsewhere, hold and SELL ON EBAY.
it sounds like economics 101 but trust me it doesnt work that way 99% of the time unless you are already a dealer
spock - Northeast is one of the most expensive places there is to buy coins. Yes, they have nice stuff, but much of their stuff, like with any dealer, is vastly overpriced. YOU have to be smart enough to recognize which ones are and which ones aren't. Also, yes, Russian coins have increased in value significantly over the past 2 years. But not EVERY Russian coin. THAT is the mistake that others, as well as yourself, are making. They are assuming that the 5 rouble coin is going up in value as much other Russian coins when it isn't. As usual, assumption is the mother of all evil. As I have tried to explain to you, you still have a lot to learn.
GD you are missing the point. It doesnt matter what i think there are buyers out there who will pay more for those coins all day long. I can try and tell a dealer that they are overpriced and while i am having this conversation the coin will be sold to someone else. i have not bought anything overpriced from those countries at all. you know and i know that NE is expensive yet even their common anna coins (claimed by even them to be ordinary) get sold in minutes for $95 (should be more like $5-$10 at most) at least he sells PCGS and NGC coins i have seen the same thing happen with NNC coins and dealers have wisened up they wont deal with people like me they will put coins on ebay and get those high prices so my pool of reasonable priced dealers shrinks (thank god some are not tech savvy) take a look at toddywalla and you will see another small picture. you are saying perception and reality is different and i am saying perception has the effect of creating the reality kind of how you say PCGS is not the best TPG but yet their coins command the highest its perception and no matter what i do or say its not going to change that
spock - if some idiot on ebay pays $2000 for a 1987 XF Lincoln cent - does that make that coin worth $2000 ? What you are saying is - yes, it does. Gimme a break.
take a break and extend that argument with if 1000 of them get listed and all of them sell for 1800- 2000 what does that make them worth. i can argue all i want but no dealer will sell it to me for 50 if there are buyers out there for 2000. you might not like it but this is what i have to deal with for the past 2 years and yes they are idiots and yes there are tons of them with tons of money (this is where BRIC comes in again)
That, my Dear Moderator, is a rhetorical question. Thanks for sticking with me. I think I "get it" now. :thumb:
Todays excursion into the foriegn gold world: Wife liked this, so I bid for her, $205 winning bid 10% off Ebay coupon puts it at $184.50 AND our cashback promo is 5% ( $10.25 ) total cost shipped= $174.25 melt on coin alone @ $960 gold is $180 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=330253612970&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=014
You think you might have to add Australia to that list soon? Prices for nice Australian gold seems to be high lately, IMO.