2009 Sacagawea

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  1. taurus876

    taurus876 Senior Member

    edited for copyright

    The US mint selected a female Indian planting maize (corn) in a field for the reverse of the 2009 Sac.

    CCAC's second choice was a design featuring three female Indians surrounded by squash, corn and beans. It represented the traditional Three Sisters system of planting the crops. To the Iroquois people, corn, beans, and squash are the Three Sisters - the physical and spiritual sustainers of life. The three vegetables comprised their main food supply. Iroquois women mixed their crops, using a system called "interplanting."


    I am disappointed in all of the designs.

    Why are there only females and/or corn on the choices?

    I would have liked to see an Indian warrior(s) on horseback.

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  3. Danr

    Danr Numismatist

    Some of those designs are aesthetic knock outs. Those are good designs. As for subject matter I think that they are honoring female Native people (sac was female, it is sort of the theme).
     
  4. elaine 1970

    elaine 1970 material girl

    sac dollar

    i liked 2008. the last sac.
     
  5. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Lot of indian tribes where matriarchal. Perhaps the Shoshone were....The Iriquois definately were. The designs look alright to me. If it wasn't for that little lady Lewis and Clark might never have made it.
     
  6. AvgCollector

    AvgCollector New Member

    Id like an Indian like on the Indian cent or something along those lines.
     
  7. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    These reverses are supposed to depict accomplishments of or benefits we have received from the Native Americans. I don't think a bust of a caucasion wearing and indian headress would qualify. As for a warrior on horseback, have him overlooking the aftermath of Little Bighorn and I think we could call that an accomplishment. Good luck getting it past the committees.
     
  8. MoneyHungry

    MoneyHungry angel in a earth suit

    The design is revolting! Let the American Indian People decide the best design: they never let us down in the past.
     
  9. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Revolting? In what way. What offends you?
     
  10. grizz

    grizz numismatist

  11. MoneyHungry

    MoneyHungry angel in a earth suit

    Show me a likeness of an American Indian standing erect: not bent over. They are a proud people: they deserve better. How would you like to see a likeness of an Air Force Pilot on his knees on a coin. I sure would'nt. (green18)
     
  12. Indianhead65

    Indianhead65 Well-Known Member

    These coins were designed by artists working for the U.S. Mint (government) and are depicting only what the U.S. Gov. wants the public to see, peaceful Native Americans planting and raising crops. Do you think there would ever be a coin design of a war torn indian village with slaughtered indian warriors and raped indian women laying about the ground? I dont see any accomplishment in these events such as Little Big Horn or Sand Creek except for the Native Americans having their land taken away and their food supply killed off to force them further west. If you'd like a more realistic design on a coin, this would be it. Of course, it would never happen. As a person with a strong Native American heritage, I'd rather see images of Native American Chiefs on the reverse of the coins, without these men, Sacagaweas trip with Louis & Clark would have been meaningless.
     
  13. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    The pictures depict indian women tending to the three sisters: corn, beans and squash. I feel that it is a very noble depiction. As for the airforce pilot on his knees....huh? Where did that come from. There is nothing wrong with showing indian women tending their sacred sisters. It's what kept them alive and the noble warrior wanted nothing to do with tending the fields. Allow me to enlighten you my friend...in certain indian societys (Shawnee) the women had just as much to say about deciding whether to go to war or not. Their opinion was very highly valued.
     
  14. elaine 1970

    elaine 1970 material girl

    edges

    i like plain edge. i hate current letter edge. letter edges like british and hong kong coins were beautiful. i hope the mint will imitate like them.
     
  15. nickelman

    nickelman Coin Hoarder

    Glad to see changes in design but, I agree the redesign is lacking. Why not Crazy Horse (the Sculpture they are using to carve the mountain in SD would make an awesome coin design IMHO) http://www.crazyhorse.org/ . How about with a caption "Liberty or Death".
     
  16. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    But if patriarchies are bad - and they are harshly criticized - then matriarchies are also bad. Fair and equal treatment means fair and equal criticism.

    But the bigger issue is this - if the coin design causes as much ill will as some of the posts, then perhaps we should eschew Indian designs altogether. We've had Indian designs on regular issue US coins since 1859. Personally, some of my favorite designs are Indian designs. But if it touches a nerve, then maybe it's not a positive.
     
  17. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    Let's revive the Indian $2.5 / $5. Let's see what modern technology does with incuse minting.
     
  18. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Man....I didn't know we were touching so many nerves and if my responses were taken as an offence I am truely sorry. I think the designs were chosen to depict a way of life that is gone forever. I think the designs were meant to educate....after all, everyone knows of the great warrior but who knows of the accomlishments of native American women? The little lady on the obverse of this coin was a good start. The reverse is a work in progress.
    And please....little lady is an endearment not a put down so I don't want any of you girls out there getting PO'd at me.
     
  19. elaine 1970

    elaine 1970 material girl

    i don't like

    i don't like the design with person on both obverse and reverse. i like person on obverse and official seal on the reverse.
     
  20. Indianhead65

    Indianhead65 Well-Known Member


    There's an idea that I like!
     
  21. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    how about the $10 too?
     
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