Is this a 1997 DDO, MDD, or DDD penny?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Bluntflame, Jan 5, 2020.

  1. Bluntflame

    Bluntflame Well-Known Member

    I was looking for the 1997 DDO seeing if I could get lucky in spotting one when I spotted this. It isnt quite what I was looking for, but it may be worth my time here! I am seeing possible at the north end of the of the letters, and think at best it may be some NVA Doubling, but I want some closure if possible. I am looking mainly at the G as my best bit of visualizing it, but I have spotted it in all of IN GOD WE TRUST at varying degrees.
     

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  3. Bluntflame

    Bluntflame Well-Known Member

    The second one shows the possible doubling I am speaking of amazingly!
     
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  4. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    What does the North Vietnamese Army have to do with doubling? ~ Chris
     
  5. Bluntflame

    Bluntflame Well-Known Member

    I am not sure. Mabye thats were all the 1955 Double dies were hidden lol.
     
  6. Bluntflame

    Bluntflame Well-Known Member

    Here is another nice picture to show the doubling in the O and D in GOD.
     

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  7. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    Doesn't appear like doubling as much as slight shadowing. Is the light directly 90 degree over the coin? At magnification , all will show the effect if the light is even slightly angled as the coin raised structures have some height. NAV. Jim
     
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  8. Bluntflame

    Bluntflame Well-Known Member

    Look at the 2nd picture. The source would be coming from the bottom the way I turned the coin in that picture if I had it off kilter. I can say the same about any other picture that the coin is turned in another direction. The only difference is that I like how well the doubling appeared in that picture.
     
  9. Bluntflame

    Bluntflame Well-Known Member

    Please refer to picture 1 WIN_20200105_20_47_11_Pro.jpg

    compared to picture 2
    WIN_20200105_20_46_57_Pro.jpg

    Please note that I had only chaged the coins possion under the camera, and had never touched the camera or overhead light. if you look at the D in GOD you can see that the underlying lettering is in the same spot in either picture. A shadow would end up o the other end of the letters in both pictures if it was a lighting error.
     
  10. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    Ok, On the G are you referring to the light 'halo' like effect? If so, that is not true doubling as I see it. However, this is from a "single squeeze die" and others may feel differently as the same rules do not apply.
    IMO, Jim
     
  11. Hoky77

    Hoky77 Well-Known Member

    What I see is the top and bottom of the letters. Think of the letters in the die as a bakers bread pan. A bread pan is tapered top to bottom with the bottom being narrower the facilitate the release of the loaf. If the sides where at 90 degrees the it would be necessary to pry the loaf out. It is the same with a die, the features are tapered to facilitate the flow of the planchet and for a easy release of the newly formed coin. When looking straight down on a coin and the light is right the narrower top and the wider bottom of the lettering can be seen as two separate outlines creating the illusion of doubling or what desertgem called "shadowing". As a avid IHC variety hunter I was prone to seeing RPD's that often weren't there because of this effect. Many of the punches used to date the IHC's were widely tapered exaggerating this effect.
     
  12. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    Is that a ridge i see starting on the inside of the rim?
    Key indication of die deterioration.
     
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