Anyone recognize this Pergamon owl monogram?

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  1. Lane Walker

    Lane Walker Active Member

    2.8 gm, AE 16 mm

    obv: Helmeted head with 8 pointed star of Athena right
    rev: owl standing facing on palm, with wings spread

    I gather the dating can be done with more precision if this monogram is documented anywhere.

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  3. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    You might be interested in this thread, in which I discuss this coin and its dating.

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    Mysia, Pergamon, 200-133 BC? 133-27 BC?
    Bronze Æ 15.7 mm, 3.55 g, 12 h.
    Obv: Head of Athena right, wearing crested helmet ornamented with star.
    Rev: AΘΗ-ΝΑΣ ΝΙΚΗΦΟΡΟΥ, owl standing facing on palm, with wings spread,TK monogram left and ΠΛ right.
    Refs: SNG Copenhagen 388 (same); c.f. SNG von Aulock 1375-6, BMC 197-199, SNG France 1920-2, SNG BN 1913-6 (various monograms).
     
  4. Lane Walker

    Lane Walker Active Member

    Yes, your article was instrumental in me falling further down my own rabbit hole on this type. Not a bad thing? Anyway it's odd that there's so little clarity on the dates. Did you ever find any significance with the eight pointed star?
     
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  5. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    No. Like a Labrador retriever on a walk in the woods, I got distracted by other things and never went back to look more into it!
     
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  6. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    This explains why most of us, certainly I, will never make a significant contribution to our hobby. Too many rabbits; too many holes.
     
  7. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Other than becoming a member of Coin Talk, of course.
     
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  8. NewStyleKing

    NewStyleKing Beware of Greeks bearing wreaths

    I have wrote a few pages on academia.edu ( under my name of John Arnold Nisbet) about the New Style but following Ashton and his work on Rhodian Bronze coinage and siege of Mithradates and the re-dating of the Roman era of Ephesos/Roman Asia minor by the late Jorge Muller I have linked the cistaphoric coins of Ephesos with Isiac symbols also with that event. And then generally base on an altered New Style where the Pontic badge( Star & 2/1 Crescent(s)) symbol as been replaced with a Headdress of Isis symbol. I have concluded that various Isiac symbols of around this time can be seen as a partisan badge of Roman support.
    For what ever reason stars are common on coins and are a sign of divinity on the Roman Elagabalus denerii. But occasionally have also on their own been connected with Mithridates.
    A theory for the beginning of the New Style is to celebrate the Athenian great Panathenia c 166 or 162 BC ( Julia Shear via Meadows).In the past I have linked the Priene Owl on Amphora bronzes with winning at the games and why not this? Also I have linked ( no evidence again) the owl on amphora type of Kalakte Sicily with an expression of the Greek koinon maybe to declare Greekness in the face of Roman dominance. enjoy
     
  9. NewStyleKing

    NewStyleKing Beware of Greeks bearing wreaths

    upload_2019-12-31_16-6-45.png Owl on a Thunderbolt type!
     
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  10. Lane Walker

    Lane Walker Active Member




    May I use this on my very own attribution? I am happy to cite your email address. Although it isn't definitive I am quite happy with how well you've summed up the controversy and like, you, I'll have to attribute my Pergamon owl with similar date-origin ambiguity.
     
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  11. NewStyleKing

    NewStyleKing Beware of Greeks bearing wreaths

    Sure, go right right ahead.Happy new year!
     
  12. Roerbakmix

    Roerbakmix Well-Known Member

    I don't really have anything else to add, apart from this similar coin, from another city (Adramytion, ca. 140 km distance to Pergamon)
    [11111] Annonymous - Mysia, Adramytion (AE13, c300-200 BC).jpg
    GREECE, Annonymous
    Denomination: AE13, minted: Mysia, Adramytion; c300-200 BC
    Obv: Helmeted head of Athena right.
    Rev: ΑΔΡΑΜΥ (above) ΤΗΝΩΝ (below), Owl standing slightly right on thunderbolt, head facing, with wings spread; monogram to right (not visible; off-center)
    Weight: 2.41g; Ø:13mm
    Catalogue: SNG von Aulock 1053
     
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  13. Lane Walker

    Lane Walker Active Member

    Does the ΑΔΡΑΜΥ (above) ΤΗΝΩΝ (below) tell us it's from Adramytion or was it found there? I'm curious because of how similar this is to the pergamon owls.
     
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  14. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Feel free to use the information but in the interest of privacy, I request you don't cite my email address or other identifying information. Thanks.
     
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