The Unofficial CoinTalk Dark Side “Coin” Grade Poll #1

Why did the counterfeits, if they are, get put into genuine
slabs? What do you know that the TPGs don't. Most major
auction houses run EAC by one of the prominent members
from the EAC club for authentication and their opinion of
the TPG grade. Hard to imagine that all of the "hoops"
early copper gets put through that someone along the way
didn't spot them. Which "circulation marks" are indicative
of the coin being counterfeit?

 

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Counterfeit: Scratch over the L and hit between A and ribbon on the reverse are the identifiers.

@Jack D. Young this coin appears to show PVC damage. Do you think they did it on purpose?

 

they are, unless the fakes fooled the TPG as these did.

 

Grade from the label of the OP example:

 

I know it's a hassle, but a pic of an authentic coin side by side with the counterfeit coin, and identifiers circled, would be awesome for these threads, at the reveal.

 

Legomaster1 actually posted my initial Coin Week article earlier in this post Johndoe2000$!

It is at : https://coinweek.com/counterfeits/s...-1806-c-1-half-cent-1-page-attribution-guide/

These coins match a genuine 1806 C-1 half cent because a genuine example was used as the "source" to manufacture the dies.

Since this article I have documented there are actually 2 "die varieties", one with a "cut" on the "A" of HALF, the 2nd with an apparent attempted repair resulting in the "plugged A".

I have also sent examples in for some detailed metallurgical testing at a test facility in PA and compared to control examples of known genuine ones we have been able to "characterize" two varieties of half cent counterfeits, but that is beyond the scope of this post.

 

micbraun, they have done a number of things to some of the examples to try and hide the marks as well as simulate environmental issues. The roughest example in the collection is a counterfeit 1798 "S-158" large cent.

 

I thought so. Scary. Thanks for confirming.

 

Thanks, I didn't see that somehow.

 

These are among the most deceptive struck counterfeits and have fooled experts and TPG's alike. The link to my 1st research article on Coin Week is posted above.

 

I said xf 40 but thought it an expert fake especially from the lack of hair detail and lack of true wear on it and knowing these are usually fairly well struck

 

This is a counterfeit. From my in-hand examination of an example, there should be scratches on the obverse behind the head on the genuine host coin. There was evidence that the scratches were partially removed from the dies

These graded XF-45 to AU-50 by the TPGs

 

Actually my ANACS slabbed example graded VF-35!

 

One last note! As TypeCoin971793 noted there was a scratched genuine source example, but the one I considered the probable source was predated by this ANACS slabbed example from a 2008 auction.

I have an updated summary article published in the latest (Oct) edition of Penny-Wise for any here who are EAC members.



So, this was my "experiment" for an "Unofficial" Grade Poll- let me know if I should try another...

 

It's fascinating that you and the EAC folks can spot these sister-marked coins and even locate probable source coins. You do great work and provide interesting reading.

I'd enjoy another thread

 

+1

 

Agreed keep em coming

 

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