1800/1798 DBC (NC-6 variety?)

Howdy fellow coin peeps, :thumb:

I have what appears to be a 1800/1798 Draped Bust Cent that resembles a S-190 but mine has what could be described as a free-radical 11th berry, just under the T in UNITED and not attached to the vine. I've supplied the normal obverse & reverse pics, along with angle shots to show the extra berry isn't corrosion.

At CoinFacts, they have two varieties listed, NC-5 & NC-6, that I cannot find information on nor pics, so I'm wondering if this is one of those, or maybe it's something else, or am I dreaming?

Ribbit

 

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Toad , do you know what caused the corosion , just wondering ?
rzage

 

The ground it was found in.

Ribbit

 

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I found 2 NC-6's but no NC-5. I did find out that mine is not a NC-6 (zeros on date are wrong), so one down and one to go.

Thankies! :thumb:

Ribbit

Ps: I know you've heard of fly-fishing but now you've heard of fishing for flies.

Ribbit-Ribbit-Ribbit

 

The best match I found is a S-190 or S-191 but as was pointed out to me by Tom Deck, the berry below the C in CENT goes straight up (berry stem) and the S-190 & S-191 don't. Other varieties of the 1800 have a straight berry like mine (S-194 is a good example but the date is wrong) but I couldn't find one that matches up to mine. :headbang:

Ribbit

 

Well I'll tell you this for starters, it isn't an 1800/1798. That coin has type II hair which eliminates 190, 191, NC-5 and NC-6. The "berry" is almost certainly a corrosion artifact. All of the 1800 reverse dies were created by a hub. Berry stems were, in some cases, added by hand but the berries were created by the hub.

 

Even with the corrosion it looks like style 1 hair.

 

I went through all the varieties for 1800 and thru the process of elimination, I came up with S-209. Criteria was:

1. High last zero in date
2. Straight-up stem in the berry below C in Cent
3. Clockwise crooked O in ONE

It still may not be a S-209 but that's the closest one to it. :headbang:

Ribbit

Ps: I still have to look at NC-1 thru NC-4 but haven't had time to yet.

Pps: After further review, I've decided it's also not a S-209 because the 1 is too low. :headbang:

 

Well, I emailed pics off to someone who really knows his cents and he believes it is a 1800/1798 NC-6 1st Hair Style and I'm not sure what NC-6's I looked at earlier on Heritage but the one I just used to compare against, looks like a perfect match so I'm attaching pics of it for those of you that would care to compare it to mine and give your opinion. :thumb:

Ribbit

Ps: Top two pics is my penny and the two below is the certified 1800/1798 NC-6.

Pps: The certified NC-6 pics are clickable so you can open larger versions in another window to use for side-by-side comparisons.

 

In the last picture it sorta looks like one of those prehistoric cave paintings in France , kool .
rzage

 

I'm going to send this off to Bob Grellman to have it attributed and once I get it back, I'll post the results. Also, for the record, he's the person who initially determined it was a NC-6, via pics sent to him. :bow:

Ribbit

Ps: I just picked up a nice 1798 DBC S-159 tonight (very scarce) and once it gets in, I'll post pics. The seller's pics were really bad so I won't damage your eyesight by posting them. :kewl: You'll just have to wait for it to arrive.

 

After seeing the second larger pictures of your coin I have to back track to my earlier statement, it is indeed a type I hair, and being a type I it is the NC-6 Congratulations. There are only four known varieties for the type I hair. The quickest way to spot the NC-6 among those four is to look at the outer berry below the F in OF. On the NC-6 the stem of this berry joins the wreath stem above the point where the stem of double leaves over the E of ONE joins the wreath. On S-190, 191, and NC-5 the berry stem joins at the same location as the leaf stem.

 

Finally, the amphibian hits paydirt! Congrats, Toad!

 

Yepper!

I've already given Bob the go-ahead to find it a new home. :hail:

I can use the proceeds to fund my Ebay addiction. :mouth:

Ribbit

 

Bob Grellman emailed me today, after receiving the coin, and confirmed it is a 1800/1798 NC-6. It will take a few weeks for him to line up a buyer but during that time, I'll be busy with a couple of books I pre-purchased from him, with proceeds of my coin paying for them. hya:

I'm so tickled, I could pee! Oops! I think I just pee's on Spock? :whistle:

Ribbit

 

Congrats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

It shouldn't take him long to round up a buyer. I'd buy it but I can't afford it. I don't even have to know what he is asking to know I can't afford it. But there are a lot of serious early date collectors out there that have a lot more money than I do, and most of them don't have an 1800 NC-6 either.

 

He's already shipped it off to someone for them to take a closer look at it, to see if they will want it. It's not in the best of condition so it will take someone who is really serious about varieties and isn't too picky. He knows so many collectors so him finding someone that wants it, isn't going to be a big problem but if it was in better condition, he'd have'em fighting over it.

I know it isn't in that great of condition but it's in good enough condition to attribute so I'm as happy as a toad in a puddle of pee.

Ribbit-Ribbit-Ribbit

 

A coin that rare doesn't HAVE to be in that great a condition to be in high demand.