Does this peace dollar make MS?

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  1. Spider

    Spider ~

    Just curious of what you guys think on this one. In hand the coin has lots of luster.
     

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  3. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    AU-50 , too many small hits to be MS also loks like wear on hair & eagles wing , though it could be a weak strike
    rzage
     
  4. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    no, not MS, sorry. The missing item for me is luster. If a white (or nearly white) coin doesn't look to me like it just came from a fresh new roll, then the luster is not strong enough for MS. The luster is the key determinate for me in grading coins MS or not. The details have to do more with strike, so my first look is at the luster of the coin.
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Can't say based on those pics Spider. But bag marks and hits won't keep a coin from being graded MS, it'll just make it a low MS. The only thing that stops a coin from being MS is damage or wear.
     
  6. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    I'm not sure about the luster thingy, since it's hard to show with pics, but the small hits are seeable so I'd also give it a XF-45 to AU-50 grade. :kewl:

    Still a nice coin! :thumb:

    Ribbit :)
     
  7. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    Isn't there a limit to bag marks? This coin has marks all over the reverse and I would think after so many bag marks, it would finally hurt the grade?

    Ribbit :)

    Ps: I meant, can't they finally bring it below MS? :goofer:
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    Yes bag marks hurt the grade, but they will not drop the grade below MS. MS60 coins basically look like they went thru a meat grinder. As I said, only damage and wear can stop a coin from being graded as MS.
     
  9. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    Not MS. Too much luster disturbance and high-point wear.
     
  10. peterplanchet

    peterplanchet New Member

    The 1924-S is notoriously weakly struck. Its a bit hard to tell from the slghtly out of focus picture,but I would say its an AU.

    -- Peter Planchet
     
  11. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    High XF to me
     
  12. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    Peace dollars are tough coins to grade.
    Essentially takes a specialist to do it right.
    I sent my 1928 in hoping for an AU-something.
    Came back MS-62.
    Needless to say, I was pleased.
     
  13. Tater

    Tater Coin Collector

    hard to say from the photos for sure. I'd say high AU because I see what appears to be some slide or rub marks, but hard to tell from the image. The strike is average to weak. With the coin in hand to verify the marks it might go as high as ms-60, bit I couldn't give it anything higher than that. In a nut shell AU-55 to MS-60, doesn't answer your question does it?
     
  14. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Types Of Hits

    The hits I was referring to are all the small hits a coin would get from being in & out of pockets , I agree that hits that come from being in a bag can't lower a coin below MS . Isn't there a way to tell bag hits , :being hit by other large dollars: when the bag is being thrown around , and circulation hits mostly from hitting smaller coins in pockets or circulation ?:confused: :)
    rzage
     
  15. Tater

    Tater Coin Collector


    so are those called hits or dings? :)
     
  16. walterallen

    walterallen Coin Collector

    I have to agree with these gentlemen. The coin has low eye appeal because of hits but unless we could see it much better, detecting true wear versus weak strike will be difficult, to say the least.

    Allen
     
  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    Let me ask a question to help answer your question. If you go to a grocery store and buy food and get change back. Can any of those coins you get back in change, right out of the cashier's drawer, be uncirculated ?

    The answer is yes they can be uncirculated. Now some folks don't understand that point. Just because a coin is actually in circulation, that does not mean that that particular coin woul dbe graded as less than MS. For as long as that coin does not have wear or damage on it that coin will be and should be graded as uncirculated.

    So, the answer to your question is that there is no difference between the marks that may get put on a coin in a mint bag, in a cashier's drawer or in someone's pocket. They are all the same. The only that matters is if detectable wear can be found on that coin. If it has no wear, it is uncirculated.
     
  18. Uncirculated- a circulation strike coin that has never been used in commerce, and has retained its original surface luster; also called Mint State.

    -2008 Red Book

    (bolding is mine)
     
  19. snaz

    snaz Registry fever

    AU 55 to MS 60?
     
  20. Spider

    Spider ~

    that's where I am at. In hand, the coin has plenty of luster to make MS and looks MS. The picture blows everything up, making the coin look much worse than it actually is.
     
  21. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Got It

    Got it , thanks for the explanation .:smile:hatch::hammer:
    rzage
     
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