AU-50 , too many small hits to be MS also loks like wear on hair & eagles wing , though it could be a weak strike rzage
no, not MS, sorry. The missing item for me is luster. If a white (or nearly white) coin doesn't look to me like it just came from a fresh new roll, then the luster is not strong enough for MS. The luster is the key determinate for me in grading coins MS or not. The details have to do more with strike, so my first look is at the luster of the coin.
Can't say based on those pics Spider. But bag marks and hits won't keep a coin from being graded MS, it'll just make it a low MS. The only thing that stops a coin from being MS is damage or wear.
I'm not sure about the luster thingy, since it's hard to show with pics, but the small hits are seeable so I'd also give it a XF-45 to AU-50 grade. :kewl: Still a nice coin! :thumb: Ribbit
Isn't there a limit to bag marks? This coin has marks all over the reverse and I would think after so many bag marks, it would finally hurt the grade? Ribbit Ps: I meant, can't they finally bring it below MS? :goofer:
Yes bag marks hurt the grade, but they will not drop the grade below MS. MS60 coins basically look like they went thru a meat grinder. As I said, only damage and wear can stop a coin from being graded as MS.
The 1924-S is notoriously weakly struck. Its a bit hard to tell from the slghtly out of focus picture,but I would say its an AU. -- Peter Planchet
Peace dollars are tough coins to grade. Essentially takes a specialist to do it right. I sent my 1928 in hoping for an AU-something. Came back MS-62. Needless to say, I was pleased.
hard to say from the photos for sure. I'd say high AU because I see what appears to be some slide or rub marks, but hard to tell from the image. The strike is average to weak. With the coin in hand to verify the marks it might go as high as ms-60, bit I couldn't give it anything higher than that. In a nut shell AU-55 to MS-60, doesn't answer your question does it?
Types Of Hits The hits I was referring to are all the small hits a coin would get from being in & out of pockets , I agree that hits that come from being in a bag can't lower a coin below MS . Isn't there a way to tell bag hits , :being hit by other large dollars: when the bag is being thrown around , and circulation hits mostly from hitting smaller coins in pockets or circulation ? rzage
I have to agree with these gentlemen. The coin has low eye appeal because of hits but unless we could see it much better, detecting true wear versus weak strike will be difficult, to say the least. Allen
Let me ask a question to help answer your question. If you go to a grocery store and buy food and get change back. Can any of those coins you get back in change, right out of the cashier's drawer, be uncirculated ? The answer is yes they can be uncirculated. Now some folks don't understand that point. Just because a coin is actually in circulation, that does not mean that that particular coin woul dbe graded as less than MS. For as long as that coin does not have wear or damage on it that coin will be and should be graded as uncirculated. So, the answer to your question is that there is no difference between the marks that may get put on a coin in a mint bag, in a cashier's drawer or in someone's pocket. They are all the same. The only that matters is if detectable wear can be found on that coin. If it has no wear, it is uncirculated.
Uncirculated- a circulation strike coin that has never been used in commerce, and has retained its original surface luster; also called Mint State. -2008 Red Book (bolding is mine)
that's where I am at. In hand, the coin has plenty of luster to make MS and looks MS. The picture blows everything up, making the coin look much worse than it actually is.