Help dating jeton, please.

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  1. Redseal

    Redseal Member

    I have a french jeton that I'm trying to date. No punch mark on the edge. The reverse reads AN I3. or AN 13.
     

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  3. daveydempsey

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  4. cpm9ball

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    Is there anything on the other side?

    Chris
     
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  6. cpm9ball

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    From my Mitchiner reference, Jetons, Medalets & Tokens, The Low Countries and France, Volume Two, I've taken the following information:

    Commercial organisations
    "A number of commercial bodies whose activities provided for the fundamental needs of an urban community were always in demand. People still needed to eat, to drink, to cook and to build and repair their houses. Some commercial organisations working in these basic fields had issued jetons under the old regime, and now they continued to make use of jetons - sometimes bearing comparable designs - during the present period.

    Charbons de Bois (Charcoal)
    yr. 13 COMMERCE DE CHARBONS DE BOIS PARIS AN 13
    rev. Forest, charcoal makers, river

    These designs were retained on jetons of Louis XVIII, dated 1820.

    @Redseal - I believe "AN 13" refers to the year, 1813.

    Chris
     
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  7. longshot

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  8. cpm9ball

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    Can you give me a link for the source of this chart? I'm not questioning its validity, but there does seem to be a discrepancy between it and the Mitchiner reference. I'd like to know why.

    Thanks!
    Chris
     
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  10. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    Have you tried just asking her out? French models have to eat too...
     
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  11. cpm9ball

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    Geez! 10-day weeks! 144-minute hours! No wonder this calendar was abolished in 1805!

    I think I'm going to stick with the information in the Mitchiner reference since jetons did not represent any coin of the realm and were produced by and for local jurisdictions.

    Thanks!
    Chris
     
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  12. cpm9ball

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    Who are you talking about?????????????

    Chris
     
  13. Neal

    Neal Well-Known Member

    Longshot's chart is absolutely correct. However, just as an addendum, if you are dating items such as assingats from the period before September 22, 1792, they will be dated from the year of Liberty, which began July 14, 1789 and the fall of the Bastille. Thus an early assignat might say, "L'an 2 de la Liberté". (Year 2 of Liberty=7/14/90-7/13/91) Such bills will have a dual impressed seal including a picture of King Louis XVI. After they deposed him and declared the Republic they restarted the calendar, as on Longshot's chart, and took the king's head off the money. They soon took it off his shoulders as well.
     
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  14. GeorgeM

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    "Help dating jeton, please"
     
  15. cpm9ball

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    I never suggested that it wasn't correct. My point was that jetons were produced for local jurisdictions and were not an official coin of the realm. Therefore, the dates provided in the Mitchiner reference for jetons seems more probable for the years after 1805/06.

    Chris
     
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