Your Best Deal Ever

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by rzage, Jun 12, 2008.

  1. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    My best deal this month (so far) would have to be Breen's Complete Encyclopedia of US & Colonial Coins (almost mint) I picked up for $75.00 at my local coin shop but I think my best deal to date has to be the 1802 Sheldon-235 Draped Bust Cent I picked up for $90.00 last month on Ebay. :hammer:

    Ribbit :)
     

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  3. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Ribbit. Ribbit. :)
     
  4. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    That wasn't me, Rzage! :eek:

    You just called Hobo, Toad. :mouth:

    I'd run and hide, if I was you. :eek:

    Ribbit :D
     
  5. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
     
  6. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    Since she labeled it a PR-58, I wonder if it's slabbed? :eek:

    Ribbit :)
     
  7. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    It doesn't look slabbed to me.

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  8. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    Rut-roh! :eek:

    Now I have to wonder if it was even a proof in the first place (if it isn't a counterfeit)? I wish she'd give us a full pic of both sides so we can see all of the coin, to include the date and mint mark. :kewl:

    Ribbit :)
     
  9. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    If it has a mintmark it would not be a Proof. That much is certain.
     
  10. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    Almost, but not exactly:

    1879-O Estimated 12 Proofs
    1883-O Estimated 12 Proofs
    1893-CC Estimated 12 Proofs

    So, except for those estimated 36 proofs with a mint mark, the rest are Phillys so the likelihood that her's has a mint mark, is about as close to impossible as you can get but it is possible. So if Becky's does have a mint mark, the likelihood is, she was swindled. :(

    That was the reason I mentioned mint marks in my earlier comment. ;)

    Ribbit :)

    Ps: I'm not surprised you caught that. :p
     
  11. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    Great buy on the Breen book !!!!!!
     
  12. erwizard

    erwizard Numismatic RN

    Probably not my best deal ever but today I got a 1923 large size $1 note in AU, a $2 ChUnc "gutter" error note, and a pretty nice EF 1868 3 cent piece all for $75. Even if thats too much its worth just that amount for the $1 large note. If I can get my dag-gone scanner to scan right, I'll post them.
     
  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    I dunno Toad, I suspect it is not genuine.
     
  14. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    Here are the original photos of what it looked like before it was cleaned.

    It has everything like it should, a rim cud above the T in Liberty and a weak strike on the OF, which is common, and everything lines up where it's suppose to.

    Ribbit :)
     

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  15. Captainkirk

    Captainkirk 73 Buick Riviera owner

    Recently I got a 'Budgood Bag' of wheats that was a very good deal. Wish I could afford another.
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Toad I am far from an expert on early US coins but I do have eyes. Look at the design closely, count the hair curls, their shape and placement. Count the berries and their placement. It matches nothing I can find. I think it's a fake.
     
  17. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    The displayed cent on the CoinFacts 1802 varieties is a S-235 so compare the two.

    http://www.coinfacts.com/large_cent...802_large_cents/1802_large_cent_varieties.htm

    Ribbit :)

    Ps: Here's another one to compare to:

    http://www.largecents.net/collection/coinpics/s235.jpg

    Pps: The die bulge/crack (or whatever it's called) going from the C in AMERICA all the way to the N in UNITED and through the fraction, is clearly visible on my coin, just not as visible in the photos.
     
  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I did compare them Toad, your coin has 8 berries - the genuine coin has 9. That is the easiest diagnostic to see.
     
  19. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    Mine has 9 - 5 on the left and 4 on the right (the one you didn't see on the left is there and visible in the photo). Here's a better photo that I just took out in the sunlight to help you see the berry you didn't see before.

    Ribbit :)

    Ps: You can also see the die bulge thingy better in this photo.
     

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  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Fair enough on the berries. The rest of the coin does not match though IMO and I stand by it. Wouldn't be the first time I was wrong, won't be the last. But in this case I do not think I am.
     
  21. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    The biggest problem is it's very hard to go by pics. To have it in hand, under a loop, and examine every little aspect, is the olny way to see the things that cannot be seen well in a photo. Like the hidden berry that was in the original photo but very dark and hard to see. The die bulge is another aspect that's difficult to see in the photo, but it's exactly like the one on Coinfacts and that is hard to duplicate, but not impossible. This would not be the coin to counterfeit, because of all it's problems. How do you duplicate a rim cud? How do you duplicate a die bulge? Not easy!

    There are two types (maybe more) of 9 berry versions, one with the berry missing to the right of ONE (inside wreath), with one to the right of CENT (inside wreath) and the second, with a berry to the right of ONE (inside wreath) and a berry missing to the right of CENT (inside wreath). Then, there are the 10 berry varieties, with both berries present. Berries are easily duplicated but rim cuds and die bulges and die cracks aren't so easy to duplicate, so the counterfeiters would most likely pick a more rare coin that doesn't have the problems this variety has.

    Ribbit :)

    Ps: I will play with different angles to see if I can get a photo to show the die bulge. :)

    Pps: This has already been in the hands of the local coin shop guru, so he has spent some time looking at it :kewl: and his exact words were, this gal was uncirculated when it hit the ground.

    Ppps: This is one of the coins that is about to get sent off to NCS/NGC for slabbing. I'm waiting for the other ones to arrive, so I can save on shipping with a multiple coin submission. :)
     

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