Hi. So my friend has an other coin that we are wondering about. It is a 1854 by the looks of it. The date looks double struck and may be a double date coin. Also an other thing that is strange is that Krause lists this coin as suppose to be a coinage orientation in which this coin has a medal reverse orientation. Anyone have any info on this coin. Thanks Got some nice pics this time to make it easier.
Hmmm, your "Groat" is listed in my Krause as being .925% Sterling silver and has a mintage of 1,097,000 and is worth about $11 bucks in VF condition. Take Care Ben
Thanks bonedigger. But what about the way the date is stamped. Also in an other guide this coin is only listed as having a coinage oreintation while this one has a medal orientation. Krause does not list the orientation for this coin.
I believe it may be a re-punched date, but admittedly I would need to see a larger image of the coin. Whilst these coins could circulate in Britain, they were primarily for export, and a lot of them ended up in the Caribbean etc.
largest I have. We just find it odd because of the orientation of the coin. In the Coins of England guide by Spink it shows the up and down arrows specifying a coinage orientation when it came to the two sides of the coin. This coin has a medal orientation.
Hmmm, don't know about all that. The obvious issue with the date is intriguing for sure. Unfortunately the information provided in my Krause reference is very limited. Take Care Ben
There are often double struck date and alignment varieties that are not listed in the major literature. As for the date issue, I don't think it significantly affects the value. If you look at 10 of these, you are likely to find at least one with some evidence of machine doubling or similar irregularities in the legends. As for the alignment, if this is a genuine groat and not a type of spielmunze, that would certainly increase the value. Taking into consideration that the coin is well worn and cleaned, the increase probably would not be much.
This coin has not been cleaned. We would never do such a thing since its a no no lol. What is a speilmunze?
My mistake =) The lighting makes it look like it had been cleaned. Spielmunze is play money, often German made (Bavaria and other areas). Most of these are significantly different than the real thing, but I've seen one or two english 3 pence speilmunze pieces that were visually identical (as far a photographs). I own one of these that was particularly deceptive. The difference only became apparent under magnification and when weighing the item. The reason I mentioned it is that these speilmunze often exhibit re-engraved legends and other striking irregularities. Rather than silver, they would be white plated metal or tin. Otherwise, Krause doesn't have a note stating that alignment varieties are known, as they do for some series. It's one of those things that has a value as different as the collector you show it to.
Thanks for the info guys. Not sure if it was weighed but I will bring that up next time. This coin looks like real silver. Did they ever make the play money out of real silver? The lightbulb that was used for taking pics is giving the yellow hue. If I use the flash on my camera all I get is a big silver reflection and you cant see anything lol. Thinking time for me to get a camera soon. Been looking at the Olympus 770sw since I cant afford a slr. Only reason I havn't is because my fuji finpix f501 is still alive and kicking lol and it does the job for 98% of the stuff I do.
It's a real groat. Also, it is supposed to be medal orientation, Krause's mistake (again). Unfortunately, 1854 is one of the commonest dates in the series, and I think what you thought to be a double date is in fact just the wear on the numerals. As Bonedigger said, about $10 in that condition.
Krause doesn't list the orientation it was the other guide that does so its the other guide that is wrong. But thanks for the info about what its proper orientation is suppose to be.
