Featured A counterfeit Pillar Dollar, dated 1760

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by johnmilton, Oct 2, 2019.

  1. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    Pillar 8 reales have a different edge than Bust 8 reales. The OP's coin is a Pillar type. The coins shown in the link are Bust type.
     
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    No, they used an edge die.

    I have. I no longer own my copy, but if memory serves correctly, Gilboy was one of the books that said it was done after striking.

    If you still own a copy, please look it up and find the quote where it describes how it was done and post it for us. I'm more than willing to admit remembering incorrectly, if I made a mistake.
     
  4. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    I don't have a copy of Gilboy's book. But read the post here, from a well-known expert on these coins: http://goccf.com/t/142623#1287401

    Of note, he illustrates something very close to a Castaing machine.

    And he says it was done before striking.
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yeah, you're correct, what he illustrates is the same method I've always seen drawn and described. My mistake was in not correctly recognizing the word you used, castaing. For whatever reason I was thinking that word referred to something else.

    And yes, I'm aware and always have been aware, that he says the edge was applied before striking. But to the best of my recollection, all of the other books and articles on the subject that I've read say it was done after striking. But as I've already said, it's possible I'm remembering incorrectly which is why I asked for someone to quote Gilboy, another recognized authority on the subject.

    It's certainly common for "experts" to disagree on things like this. And I'm also certainly aware that what is said in various books and articles, and repeated for decades and sometimes a century or more in various sources, is also proven wrong at a later date.

    My sole desire is for the information to be posted.
     
  6. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    The same Castaing machine was used on early US coinage, and that was also done before striking.

    This is different than modern business strike Presidential dollars, which are edge lettered after striking. (Proofs use a segmented collar and are lettered at time of strike). Perhaps you are merging the two?
     
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