Rotated dies question

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Amberlarry22, Oct 2, 2019.

  1. Amberlarry22

    Amberlarry22 Well-Known Member

    Is a value of a coin worth more than face value if it’s rotated? Last 2 coins I posted on here have a rotated reverse. Funny I noticed this! It was the last two coins I posted on here. I have been saving them in sleeves just for a hobby. Noticed when I put them in a book they were crooked.
     

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  3. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    You need to show how much they are rotated. If they are withing tolerance then there is no premium.
    You need to take a picture reflecting the other side in a mirror.
     
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  4. FoundinTN

    FoundinTN Big AM

    According to the pics,the front side is a penny and the back is a nickel. :smuggrin:
     
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  5. Amberlarry22

    Amberlarry22 Well-Known Member

    Very little paddyman. I looked it up; thanks though. Just rotated hardly noticeable. Wasn’t the penny. But nickel.
     
  6. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast Supporter

    Collectors are mostly interested in larger rotational errors, say 45 degrees or more. I don't think there is much of a premium for coins under that and mint tolerances I've heard are around +/- 15 degrees or so. I know that Cherrypickers offers pricing on a few of the more coveted errors, so you might be able to draw a conclusion. Also, searching eBay might give you a better idea of what folks will pay. Here is a link for other error coin pricing: http://www.coinnews.net/tools/error-coin-price-guide-with-mint-error-photo-descriptions/
     
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  7. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    The coin needs to be rotated at ten degrees to get my attention.
     
  8. Pete Apple

    Pete Apple Well-Known Member

    I asked the mint what the tolerance was for die rotations. Here is their answer:

    “For circulating denominations the coin rotation tolerance is typically: +/-6⁰

    For numismatic (proof coins, precious metals, commemoratives, etc.) denominations the coin rotation tolerance is typically: +/-3⁰”

    The most popular rotations are the 45⁰, 90⁰ and 180⁰ rotations.

    Collectors show little interest in rotations smaller than 45⁰, except for proofs which will start at about 20⁰.
     
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  9. MatrixMP-9

    MatrixMP-9 Well-Known Member

    Rotational errors....could kick myself. I bought a farm 15 years ago that had multiple old barns on the land. One in particular had a storage kind of room that had old stamp books. I had basically no interest in the hobby of stamps but found though the internet some were worth quite a few bucks and ultimately sold them to a shop in Sarasota. I was chatting about (I didnt have one) the holy grail of stamps with the guy there and its a stamp that was printed upside down. Not but a few days later I ran across a dime was almost completely rotated. This was before I even looked at coins but for whatever reason, I noticed this. Someone told me this error is "not like the stamp" and had no value. I must have spent it or something....I dont remember what i did with it. I could kick myself. Years later thinking about that coin while finding something else in pocket change is why I am into the hobby today. That coin is a sore spot with me! Its like the hot chick you let get away or the Mustang you sold 25 years ago for $2,000. Lifes regrets lol!
     
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  10. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast Supporter

    Well, not an expensive mistake and certainly something you learned from. I know I tossed back keepers because I hadn’t learned enough yet. I recall debating with myself: keep...toss. I tossed them into the wild. But I did learn. So unfortunate...yes. But not the end...or the last.
     
  11. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    Pete, I have photos I took at the Phllly Mint that have signs on the
    presses saying that the allowable rotation is 27 degrees, which isn't much.

    I'm not sure where that person at the Mint got that info of +-3, or +- 6,
    but imo, it's very difficult to determine only 3 or 6 degrees of rotation on a coin, imo.
    Yes, I realize it's from the Mint, but it doesn't make sense to me.

    A 45 degree rotation means the top of the reverse of the coin would
    point to either 1:30 or 10:30 (if it's a CCW rotation).

    A 27 degree rotation would have the top of the reverse of the coin pointing
    to about 12:45,12:50.

    3 degrees is about 10% of that - a very very slight rotation; and many US
    coins are rotated more than 3 to 5%, imo - both type coins and modern issues.

    Just my observations........
     
  12. tmeyer

    tmeyer Au hunter

    This one is about 180 degrees off on the reverse. 20171023_144112.jpg
     
  13. CHARLES ROSENBAUM

    CHARLES ROSENBAUM Active Member

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  14. CHARLES ROSENBAUM

    CHARLES ROSENBAUM Active Member

    not very good pics, found this one while coin searching.
     
  15. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    Charles, please tell me you aren't holding the coin with nail clippers. :jawdrop:
     
  16. CHARLES ROSENBAUM

    CHARLES ROSENBAUM Active Member

    yes I was
     
  17. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    YIKES!!! That's a good way to damage the coin. :nailbiting:
     
  18. MatrixMP-9

    MatrixMP-9 Well-Known Member

    Lincolns nails will be nice and neat.
     
  19. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    I have to admit, I really don't see the big deal with rotated dies.
     
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