Mysterious Colonial Currency

Discussion in 'Paper Money' started by ancient times, Sep 30, 2019.

  1. ancient times

    ancient times Legatus Legionis

    Sorry the pictures is not as clear as it should be, took photo in its holder. It is a
    Pennsylvania Colonial Currency, April 10, 1777, Nine Pence, Serial# 12435 Plate # B, Condition very good 10, with stains and edge splits, the note paper and ink checked out authentic. the signature: G Washington has yet to be proven. Seen Several of his Signatures, some were close to a match, someone told me if George had sign several his signature would very. So the mystery is, is it real or not? any advise? Thanks QS14321HO.JPG QS1432268.JPG
     
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  3. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    I've seen a lot of similar notes but they were reproductions. If the ink checks out as authentic then I would think the note is real, but I'm not an collector of Colonial Notes. How was the paper and ink authenticated?
     
  4. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    I think Washington was busy being a general to sign currency, and he was from Virginia, so he wouldn't be signing Pennsylvania notes.
     
  5. ancient times

    ancient times Legatus Legionis

    PCGS authenticated the paper and ink, but could not confirm the signature, Washington was in or around Philadelphia at that time, could he have signed notes to pay his men?
     
  6. ancient times

    ancient times Legatus Legionis

    He was around that area then, could he signed notes to pay his troops?
     
  7. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    I don't think he had the authority. Someone from PA would have had to sign it.
    It is not a Continental currency, or it would have been signed by the authorized officer.
     
  8. ancient times

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    paper and ink authentic, so signature could be a forgery, maybe by England?
     
  9. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    Maybe. I think CGA has currency grading specials on eBay. 5 for $60 and 10 for $100 oe so, with free return shipping.
    They would be as good as the pricier guys for authentication.
     
  10. Milesofwho

    Milesofwho Omnivorous collector

    According to this site, at least two of the signers of this type were William Will and William Kenly. They both signed in red ink, and you can see that the serial number on yours is red as well, while the ink of the signature is not. Thus, someone probably erased the signature beneath it and forged Washington's signature on it in order to get some more money for it.
     
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  11. gold standard db

    gold standard db Active Member

    Washington did winter at Valley Forge before crossing the Delaware and capturing Trenton. Have an authenticator check it out.
     
  12. ancient times

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    Thanks, I will check it out
     
  13. medoraman

    medoraman Well-Known Member

    I agree. He would not have signed them since he legally was not allowed to sign them. It would be a somewhat stronger proposition if it were Continental Currency, since he technically worked for them. Any PA notes would not have been used to pay his men, it would have been in CC.

    Interesting piece, but pretty sure someone added the signature later. Probably had a red signature that faded away, and someone thought they could add a G Washington and make a ton of money.
     
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  14. ancient times

    ancient times Legatus Legionis

    Thanks, you may be right, he did sign several documents and even lottery tickets. I also agree with the red ink, but black was also used, who knows, it will still remain a mystery?
     
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