1911 S Lincoln with extras

I just received this Lincoln and got a pleasant surprise when I looked at it closely.

The obverse (if properly upright) has die breaks at
9:00, 7:00, 5:00, 4:00 and 3:00. Although I cannot photograph the coin to show the anomaly properly, at one time the 7:00 die break went up to the lapel of Lincoln's coat.

The reverse has die breaks at 9:00, 7:00 and 2:00.

Just thought I would share.

jeankay

 

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Nice coin! Actually, I think they are die cracks, if I'm seeing what you are seeing. Real nice, looks like a strong XF. But, are those corrosion spots on the obverse, or just the pics? Real nice, none the less! :thumb:

Phoenix

 

Thanks Phoenix.
There are actually more die cracks on the obverse than show in the picture, all emanating from the rim inward. One is between the U and S of Trust.
The one above Liberty appears to have gone across to the top of his jacket.
After more inspection with a 15x, I can see a die clash behind Lincolns neck that goes from his hairline down to about where the lapel overlaps the jacket. The shape is like a large O, more rounded than a 0, zero.
I just gotta get this coin lightened up somehow... take more pictures until these
anomalies can be seen.
So far as I can tell, there is no real corrosion on the coin as it seems to be quite smooth and not pitted. I tend to think the light area across the top of the coin is more of a improper alloy mix. I am quite sure the dark spots are actually cruddy dirt stuff and not carbon corrosion.

I will get back to everyone with better pictures when I am able.

Thanks again,
jeankay

(I was hoping for an XF on this because my wheat collection before 1934 is primarily XF-AU brown).

 

It's a definete XF in my opinion, I was considering AU actually for a minute, but a tad from it. Still nice! I can try to lighten up the pics for you if you want. :thumb:

Phoenix

 

Hope you don't mind, but I tried doing a huntsman, and lightened them up and made them B&W for you, IMHO it helps see some of the stuff better, plus looks like there is a die chip on the reverse too I don't know if you noticed. Nice coin! :thumb:

Phoenix

 

Nice coin JeanKay
It is difficult to grade, especially when the woodiness goes right thru the hairline, but it is lookin pretty AUish, look at the bowtie seperation and the ear/hair, and the reverse is very strong....

I would guess there is something under that crud.....I would leave it

 

Phoenix,
Wow, that's pretty darn 'cool' (do people still say this?).
I will take any help I can get... you did this without acetone, right?

Honestly, I am struggling to *not* clean this coin because I am so curious about its anomalies.

Thanks very much Phoenix. It really makes a difference... and you can just make out the other die crack on the obverse between the U and S. This must have been one fascinating coin when it was newly minted. Funny though, I cannot see the die chip.

The main reason I couldn't got quite AU is the wear on the wheat grains and the area at the bottom of AM in America. Of course, old Lincoln shows more wear across his face. I can be quite happy with XF... not a whole lot of difference in that and AU.

Good going Phoenix.

jeankay

 

Aw, Jack, no acetone? Talk about spoiling all the fun...

jeankay

 

Check to the right of the "N" in CENT on the reverse, seems to be a small die chip there. Not much, but neat. LOL, yes, did this without acetone, but was tough though. Your more than welcome. :thumb: I still think it is a very strong XF, so close to AU, but just misses IMHO. I could be being conservative though, looks like a tad too much wear above the ear. But still a very nice coin, and I congratulate you on an extremly fine addition to your collection! (pun intended ) :thumb:

Phoenix

 

BTW, don't clean it!!!

Phoenix

 

You are correct. If there is that much wear on the wheat grains, the coin is only XF. However, I don't think the wheat grains are that worn, but rather not well struck. They are typically the most difficult area to be fully struck. Anyone wantto guess how much longer that die went before it completely fell apart?

 

Nice woody!

You really must have a nice set. How many coins do you have left to get?

 

(((Check to the right of the "N" in CENT on the reverse)))

Whoa Phoenix, you can see that all the way from where you are?
Actually, I don't want to burst anyone's bubble here, but I cannot see it myself.
What I do notice now is the die crack which is barely showing on the color version, goes from the edge, across the top of the fifth grain to the last S in States.

And, for everyone who has been kind enough to look... I have had time to check the reverse more thoroughly and have decided the wheats are not really mushy minted, but actually have that flattened surface as if they have been, dare I say, sanded.
The obverse has a similar appearance.

Thanks Phoenix.

jeankay

 

Hi Brit,
This is the third time I have tried to respond to your question.
There must be some of my replies floating in cyberspace never to be retrieved.

The coins I will be needing are: 1901 s vdb, 09s, 12d, 12s, 14d, 14s, 15, 22 plain, and 31s. Most of the collection is F+ and XF brown.

My later wheats, from 1934 to 1958, are the best bu's I could find while searching rolls, or mint uncirculated, and proof finished. My Memorials is completed from nice bu's, mint issues, mint proof and mint silver proof sets.

Have you started/in-progress/finished wheat/memorial sets?

Thanks for your interest.

jeankay

 

How much do you think that 1901 s vdb is going to set you back? I am missing that one too.

 

Thats a Pattern only issue

 

I still want one!!!!!!!!!!!

 

It ain't a pretty picture Phoenix.
The 09 s vdb, as per the Red Book, starts at about 750.00 for a G-4 up to about 2,300 for MS-63. And I think that is only if you are lucky enough to find one that is real. VF-VF20, 1,200.00 to 1,400.00.
I suppose one could get one on layaway somewhere. It will take months to pay for it.
Maybe if I play the lottery. Oh, I forgot, I don't buy tickets for that either.

jeankay

 

P.S. I meant to say RLM, in my answer. Sorry fellas.
jk

 

1911 S Lincoln New close-ups

For better or worse, with my best effort at photographing and cropping...
and not being able to get the names on each pic the way I would like...

A 1911s showing the die crack at 7:00 that goes up the sleeve to the lapel.

A 1911s with a die crack above Liberty that goes to neck.

A 1911s with a die clash next to the neck that goes down through the TY of Liberty and to the top of the jacket. Like a big 'O'.

A 1911s with a die crack between the U and S of Trust.

A 1911s with a die crack across the bottom of the left wheat at the stem.

A 1911s with die crack on the reverse right wheat that goes to the S in States.

Keeping my fingers crossed that these pictures show what I am trying to convey...

jeankay