Need help on this one...

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by JCro57, Sep 12, 2019.

  1. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    This was listed as a grease strike through. But, it looks like a weak strike. The reverse pattern is what makes me think it is a weak strike.

    What do you guys think?

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  3. Islander80-83

    Islander80-83 Well-Known Member

    Listed where? What is that coin in, cellophane? Is that coin in a mint set?
     
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  4. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    It is in a Mint set
     
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  5. Islander80-83

    Islander80-83 Well-Known Member

    Well, I'm in the struck thru grease column then. Mostly because of IGWT.

    But man, that rev. looks like it's been in circulation!!
     
  6. MontCollector

    MontCollector Well-Known Member

    Make that 2 for the struck through column.
     
  7. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    It looks like a weak strike to me.

    Chris
     
  8. MontCollector

    MontCollector Well-Known Member

    What made me rule out a weak strike is to me the devices that are not affected look sharp and strong. While the parts that are affected look weak and almost missing. Plus the the devices that are weak also look fatter than usual. Especially in the columns on the memorial on the reverse.

    Can a weak strike cause the devices to look flat and fat too?
     
  9. MixtureNo79

    MixtureNo79 Active Member

    Coins I've had before that looked like that were grease strikes I'm pretty sure. The reverse does look circulated, but I am assuming you mean it was in an Uncirculated Mint set and not a Proof set, in which case those can get scratched some.
     
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  10. Islander80-83

    Islander80-83 Well-Known Member

    I don't think the proof sets came in cellophane. You say they can get scratched some. That's gotta be the worst sealed mint set coin I have ever seen.

    I should start a thread: "Post Your worst looking Mint/Proof Set Coins" ;)
     
  11. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    Struck through grease or water, etc.
     
  12. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Struck Through IMHO
     
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  13. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Water? o_O
     
  14. Heavymetal

    Heavymetal Supporter! Supporter

    Struck through but not a heavy strike. Is there a market for them Joe?
     
  15. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    OK, I gotta drop the science here a little bit here; good-naturedly, of course...

    1. It is not scratched. It only appears so because (a) the cellophane from the Mint cello is marked up, and (b) when planchets don't get a full, direct strike from the dies, the marks, nicks, and dings don't get "erased" from the strike. Notice the unstruck copper planchet below with all the marks on it...

    1c copper planchet.JPG

    2. It is not circulated. It is sealed in a complete Mint cello set where it was/is housed.

    Notice you can make out the partial outline of Lincoln's bust on the reverse where it looks "worn" (which it isn't really). This is common for weak strikes, split planchets and underweight planchets. Below, is the reverse of a split planchet. The pattern is very similar to the reverse of my coin.

    1960 1c SBS2 after REV.jpg


    The highest points on the obverse - Lincoln's head - are flat on my coin. He also has that "temple gap" which I see on a lot of certified weak strikes and underweight/split planchets. First is my coin, and below it is a certified thin planchet (2.1 grams) strike I have...

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    1971-D 1c thin OBV.JPG

    So, It just seems strange that both the obverse and reverse of my coin mimic the "wear" patterns of these other error types.

    Could the grease have done this? Maybe. I am just not sure. Just wanted to point out these other similarities because often I think everyone just says "grease strike through" any time designs are missing...just a thought... :)
     
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  16. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    Being in the Mint cello, I can't weigh the coin individually. I really can't even weigh another 1970-S Mint set and then compare it to this one because many coins aren't the exact weight tolerance.

    Can anyone think of a serious, creative way to find out the weight of this cent?
     
  17. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    I guess there can be a market for everything, but generally most error enthusiasts I know don't care about grease strike-throughs. However, if it leaves behind a bizarre or unique pattern that is cool there can certainly be some significant demand. I think a strike through where Lincoln has no head at all and everything else shows up is cool, or if all that appeared was a date, or missing letters spelled something funny. Somtimes just the unique placement or missing details can cause demand and prices to skyrocket.
     
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  18. Brina

    Brina Well-Known Member

    Nice item. Congrats :)
     
  19. Jersey magic man

    Jersey magic man Supporter! Supporter

    I agree with the underweight/thin planchette theory. I have split cents that have the same pattern.
     
  20. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    You ever struck coins/medals on a press? A drop of water can fill dies. That's why they call it hydraulics.
     
  21. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    I never have done that. Don't know anything about it. Sounds interesting.
     
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