BEWARE, examine this coin carefully

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The coin does not look like any of the cast counterfeits that I have ever seen! It looks more like it was produce from Dies due to the smoothness of the fields and fairly crisp (sharp) edges of the details.


Frank

 

"the smoothness of the fields and fairly crisp (sharp) edges of the details" have nothing to do with the methods used to produce these pieces

http://search.ebay.com/search/searc...trt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&fsop=32&fsoo=2

http://cgi.ebay.com/Replica-1877-cc...ryZ11978QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/1877-CC-TRADE-D...ryZ11978QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/1877-CC-Trade-D...ryZ11978QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

I agree it's a fake because of the flow of the dress is not right. It has too many lines (folds) below the waist whereas the real trade dollar has a smoother quality to the dress.

Bruce

 

That being said

that being said, and if so easy to reproduce, why havn't we seen more high quailty specimans? I challenge any-one having a better speciman(not just a web search pic) but actually having a better example of the coin I have posted , to post it for us to see it close-up... ozarktravler

 

Do you want an example of a counterfeit or an authentic one ?

 

Can you get a close-up, looks fake to me

This is true, and having mine to examine is educational in that most newbie coin collectors, as well as some seasoned numismatic collectors ( remember those that got burnt at the coin show?) Any-one can post web link to real mc coy, was asking post a similiar known counterfiet trade dollar, this will allow us to compare die/rim markings/weight and may prevent others from buying fakes. OT

 

we learn, only after

We could learn more with nice specimen of the counterfiet trade dollar, perhaps in viewing several varities we can spot areas to look for/ at and help newbies/collectors from being ripped-off... like me post what you like but i stand firm in that i have an excellent speciman of the trade dollar. OT

 

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i couldn't agree more w/ the opinion that all trades (other than blatant fakes) need to be certified. i am not a slab guy but the fakes are getting better, and w/ a coin of this magnitude, as well as keys. they need professional certification. only my own opinion. in a counterfeit course i took, they had busted guys w/ close to a million dollars in machine shop equipment and dies alone. w/ the aid of computers and high tech equipment, they are spending serious money to make excellent fakes. our job is to keep up to date and learn and keep on top of this. omce again, only my own opinion....steve

 

Is mine a fake? I bought it on Ebay a year or so ago. I've posted it here before and no one said it was a fake.

Bruce

 

Nice coin OT! Some fakes are worthy of having and I think yours qualifies, since the ones that out number the real ones are of such poor quality and yours is much better than those. :thumb:

Ribbit
Ps: We still want to know the weight? :hammer:

Pps: Yours looks authentic, Alex. :thumb:

 

A lot of wear, Bruce, but it appears to be authentic.


I only have a 78 S.
I've only posted pics of it about 2000 times though.

 

bruce, thank you also for sharing your coin. i am inclined to agree it is authentic. oftentimes, keys are the major ones replicated. sometimes a genuine one can be altered by adding a mintmark thru creating a hole in the rim, burrowing thru and pressing the metal upward in the proper position to add a mintmark. it takes proper skill and tools but has been done. it is easier to hide by filing and working the rim. no telltale seam of an added mintmark. just a side note. thank you all for sharing your knowledge and pics.
sincerely...steve

 

Here are a few Trade Dollars I've found and considering how authentic OT's Trade Dollar looked, I'm scared of these and figured I'd post them for us to discuss:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220231600928&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=012

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220231602461&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=012

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220231604310&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=012

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=350049076064&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=022


Ribbit

 

Why is it I've never seen it? Wanna shoot for 2001?

Ribbit

 

Wading in here - I agree - fake. For the reasons posted above plus the berries on the reverse are off. While this is a hobby that takes two lifetimes to learn for the time I have been learning I've also learned to trust my instinct and whenever my first reaction to seeing a coin in hand or photo, even if silent, is 'ugh! or yuck!' then I've learned to listen to that instinct rather than try to talk myself out of it. And I've saved a lot of money and heartache.

Not trying to hijack the thread but there is a book 'Blink' by Malcomb Gladwell, that explains the '2 second thinking' rule --- and how we all know more than we realize but rather than trusting it we try to convince ourselves the 'instinct' isn't as intellectual as intelligence.

All the arguments presented regarding the folds, eagle eyes, leaves, drapes and everything else are good evidence to argue but I encourage you to continue strudying coins and start trusting that first reaction and would venture to guess you had a reaction when you found the coin. It was likely similar to 'ugh!' and that's why you posted it here hoping to have someone convince you that you were wrong and it's a genuine coin.

 

*winces in pain from twisted arm*

Ok.... ok.... I give !


The overall color of the coin is represented well in the reverse pic.
I didn't feel like going back and retaking the obv with the same light.